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comwarrior
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 12:29:38 AM
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its abit dark...but other than that good vid...:)
but have u seen the introvertebrate new vids on his 1 transistor high rpm bedini?...that thing of him is spinning like a mad man aswell(very high rpm aswell)...but only around 1 amp...:)
but if u can make any bedini run faster with ur circuit than u really got something there m8...:)
*speed of the rotor by using recoverd / generated power...
nice 1 there m8...that is awesome...:)
Peace!
V2DAY
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 05:55:03 AM
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Yes Very cool I would like to have a play with that circuit as soon as you can get it up to us all please let me know. I think it would react very well with my current design that I'm working on.
Cool all the same
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comwarrior
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 01:12:46 AM
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Apologies for the delay, it took me a while to confirm some results...
I've seen some recent vids by introvertabrate, will have a look at his channel see if i've missed any...
Turbo boost is in multiple stages and has requirements so don't expect to have all the changes done in one night...
Stage 1 - overdrive
When your rotor is spinning, both the trigger coil and the drive coil produces electricity.
On a standard bedini circuit this is unused except for a small amount from the trigger coil to open the transister.
Using too much of this power will produce a LENZ effect, so how do we use it?
The overdrive stage works by allowing voltages above the supply voltage (normally ~12V) to flow back onto the main power rails thus significantly reducing any LENZ effect.
However, part of the overdrive stage stops the flow from entering the battery where it's effects would disapate to a point where it would be allmost un-noticable.
Instead, it's stored in a capacitor thus 'artifically' raising the voltage. When the drive coil is pulsed the initial on voltage is higher than normal therefor FORCING more initial curent into the drive coil thus creating a stronger initial magnetic field.
The alterations to the circuit require 3 GERMANIUM diodes preferably (scottky will also work but will be less efficient) and one 16volt 330-1200uF capacitor. However, be carefull as germanium diodes do not handle as much current therefor you may need to add diodes in parrallel to acomodate the curent being used.
So here is the circuit diagram...
Explaination:
D4 allows excess power from the trigger coil to flow into the capacitor
D3 allows excess power from the drive coil to flow into the capacitor by bypassing the transister.
D5 prevents the excess power from flowing back into the primary battery
Now, here is the problem...
The installation of D5 will reduce the voltage from the primary battery. However, if your coils produce enough power the capacitor will charge above the pri battery voltage...
The coils:
To the best of my knowledge, the 'bibles' say that the coils should be between 400 and 800 turns, this may be enough on some setups but others (like mine) may need an overwound coil. As a rough guide i'd reccomend 100 turns per volt. To offset the added resistance decrease the wire gauge by one or two.
The addition of the diodes and capacitor can be made without altering your coil
Those that try this, please let me know your results... you'll need to acuritly measure RPM befor and after and it will also affect your current consumption...
Once i've resolved a few issues i'll post stage 2 info
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 03:33:17 AM
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Very Cool did CW. I am assuming you are using a std transistor for our circuit (Q1)? Where does (D2) go?
Also I assume we are totally replacing the School girl circuit with your design or do we add it to the school girl?
How would you attach this to the battery swapping circuit to this new design?
SO If I understand you for a 12 volt system you would want 1200 turns? What size wire are you using? Triger / run / slave???
I am asking because of the new motor design that I have posted a video on my new rotor design that I made. So I think this circuit will be a huge leap forward in speed if I can get it all hooked up. I have not worked with the school girl much I use a 556 timer for a double pulse on my drive motors. however I wanted to see the difference in speed and power usage from my circuit to the school girl so thus the new motor with using the school girl circuit.
I hope all that made sense. Check out my new rotor and let me know what ya think as well.
vesperhbt
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comwarrior
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 5:31:55 PM
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D2 would normally be used to charge a batery... However, on mine D2 will lead to turbo stage 2 but you can still use it to charge a batteery or whatever you do with it...
transister, use your normal transister or FET...
Coils...
ok, i'm using 1200 turns, bifilar... 25 SWG for BOTH... this puts my coil in the 'abnormal' catagory... lol
by adding turns to your coil you reduce the amount of current that flows through it... however, by increasing the wire thickness (lower gauge) you decrease the resistance of the coil
It's important to say again, that you don't have to replace your coil, unless you get some positive results...
This circuit is a modification of the SSG, the only thing thats been removed is the diode from Q1 emitter to Q1 base... this can cause some coils to become unstable and start self oscilating...
vesper:
Don't forget, such a drastic speed boost may not happen on all setups... but also, with a drastic speed boost come a drastic boost in watts used...
This boost stage can be used by anyone...
However, stage 2 will mainly be used by people running bedini's ether to set speed records or hanging a generator on the shaft...
I'm going to grab daftmans ssg layout diagram and mod it... i'm assuming he won't mind... lol
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 6:25:09 PM
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Cool I understand now. Thank you CW. I will be looking to your mod of the daff circuit too. Since for some reason I really like it and want to build a model with using it.
Yes a new drawing off of the school girl circuit showing the trigger and the run side hook ups will be very important.
and how to hook up a slave coil too
vesperhbt
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comwarrior
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 10:28:54 PM
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vespa, you might want to hang on with a slave coil... until stage 2 ;)
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 11:11:49 PM
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O Okay sounds good Ill move slower if I must LOL.
Blew up my first new concept rotor and it is a good thing I was behind the test shield it could have been bad sent shrapnel in all directions.
Glad it did not have this booster on it wow what it would have done then???
I have changed my composite material and made a new casting that is curing now so tomorrow I will post a new video on the new design.
vesperhbt
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 01:07:27 AM
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nice circuit CW...good explanation 4 vesperhbt...:)
i will stick with the pic/diagram...haha...lol...u know me...:P
Peace!
V2DAY
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 08:50:28 AM
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Cant wait for stage 2 I'm egger to go faster and generate more power and test my new rotor design to its max. LOL
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cass
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 3:37:37 PM
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lol lets hope you fixed the problem of self-destruction at high rpms...
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comwarrior
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 6:03:00 PM
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indeed... i don't want a law suit againsed me coz someone lost an arm when their rotor disintergrated...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 7:59:59 PM
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No worries I would never......LOL LOL LOL. But yes I am excited to build this asap.
vesperhbt.
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 1:58:19 PM
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Well rest easy every one I tested my rotor to 5000 RPM and no problems and since it is 30% faster then I will be driving it and 50% more weight per mag hole it feel it will be great and not blow up or fly apart.
CW don't worry I tested this way for your stage 2 design with full turbo boost in mind.
lets get started. LOL LOL
vesperhbt
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comwarrior
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 2:38:44 PM
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for those that want it... bedini turbo boost stage 1 daftman setout...
I hope people can understand it...
Remember, diodes D3, D4 and D5 marked in purple should be germainium preferably or schottky.
I forgot to mark the capacitor on the right, but it should be 330uF 16V
Those running a daftman setout can easily modify an existing circuit or build a second one...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14/11/2009 : 3:39:51 PM
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Turbo Boost Stage 2 - using extra power
Stage 2 turbo is here.
This stage requires a second drive coil of ether bedini or newman style but must be bifilar and must be aligned so that it does NOT pulse at the same time as the first coil...
Here is the circuit diagram...
The second circuit is powered from the back EMF from the first circuit but otherwise it is identical.
The second circuit also has the stage 1 turbo... so thats a turbo for a turbo... lol
The back emf output from stage 2 will most likely be negligable... might as well leave it in a capacitor...
STARTUP
To start and tune...
Turn POT1 (R2) down to it's minimum, turn POT2 (R1) up to it's maximum.
Give your rotor a good flick (may take a couple of attempts).
Once it starts fireing use multimeter atached to C2 to monitor voltage.
Once RPM has reached it's peak C2 should be over 20 volts.
Turn down POT2 (R1) untill the voltage in C2 starts dropping.
Tune POT2 (R1) untill C1 reads between 12 and 13 volts.
You should now have an RPM gain...
NOTE: Do not let C2 drop too far below the supply voltage (12V battery) as this will cause LENZ drag in the first coil.
I'll do a setout shortly with the circuit on...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 7:27:31 PM
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After looking over this it looks very interesting indeed....
Now lets look at this with 3 coils.
How can we configure this for 3 coils?
Also what type of circuit would we need to monitor and change the pots automatically? ( change the resistance and monitor the voltages and ramp up and down automatically?
Yes a challenge CW,,, how I know you love them..
I will build this stage 1 and stage 2 over this next week for testing, will order a new set of parts today or tomorrow. I need to also bake a BOM and PCB for this circuit if you don't already have one and get some boards made I was thinking of through hole for ease of Assembly?
Do you have a complete BOM and model numbers?
What do you think?
vesperhbt
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comwarrior
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 7:40:00 PM
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ok, 3 coils, i reccomend using 2 primary drive coils and use one for turbo coil...
you can see the seperation between top circuit and turbo coil circuit... all you need to do is double the top half but join both back emf outputs together after the diode (D2) into one capacitor.
Advanced PM control, your talking to the right person... to my knowledge i'm the only person to use a micro controler on a PM...
Links:
http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~356.asp
http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~367.asp
I'm going to be using a twin mircocontrolers, one to do nothing but the pulsing and the other to measure curent draw and supply voltages and do all the manual / auto tuning...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
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USA
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 7:50:55 PM
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Okay so lets put it all together and get this made.
I can make the proto boards and get them made and order all the parts but I would need the CAM drawings if you have software to make this or I can use my software.
this way the circuit can be compact and easy to assemble. I would like to make the 3 drive coil design. (since all my excess energy will come from my outer coils on my rings)
I can make the boards in-house no problem. I was thinking through hole design for easy Assembly. ( Hummm Maybe a kit ) I want to help what ever I can do. I am into production and design prototyping as you can tell.
So for the coils 1200 turns at 25awg (run) and 28swg (trigger) STD 12 volts DC. ?????
vesperhbt
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comwarrior
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 9:32:52 PM
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I use plug boards (bread board) for prototyping as seen in some of my recent pix simply because i don't have to solder and unsolder to make changes and changes are in general much faster...
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So for the coils 1200 turns at 25awg (run) and 28swg (trigger) STD 12 volts DC. ?????
Thats fine
For those that want it... here is a setout.
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 9:47:01 PM
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Wow your good CW....
Now to connect coils to your layout some may be confused due to term differences.
Some refer to a coil as start and end coil or (S) (E)
unless I am wrong your (+) = (S)
and your (-) = (E)
I think this is correct?
Again nice work my friend.
vesperhbt
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teep
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comwarrior
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 11:28:37 PM
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vesper:
+ = S yes
Teep:
I'm scratching my head bud... what are you trying to show me?
I'm really confused coz the arrows are in the wrong direction...
correction... their in both directions ?????????????????????????????????????????
Vesper:
Can you see what teep is trying to tell me? coz i'm thinking he nees sleep...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
Edited by - comwarrior on 14/11/2009 11:33:52 PM |
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 03:49:07 AM
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I think he is trying to show a bypass resistance loop. or a cycling loop. Not really sure???
vesperhbt.
When I get to my lab after I go check on my shop I will look in to this more.
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Bedini Turbo booster
