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vesperhbt
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 Posted - 25/10/2009 : 10:15:02 PM
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Well a coil is the base for this motor and thus we need to make allot of them. I felt it was for this reason to start this topic.
comwarrior: on his videos on YouTube had started his coil winding machine and had a good start on it. (don't know if he ever finished it???)
However I wanted to submit information to build one of your own and where to source the parts from.
The most important is the Brain or what will tell the coil rotation motor to start and stop. This is a self assemble unit found at the following address. http://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/K8035 ($39.95 USD)
the next is a good gear motor this is for the torque to turn your coil and the coil of wire to make the coil. It may be big but will more then do the job and that is to use the motor from a cars windshield wiper. It is very strong and will run at multi speeds perfect fit for a coil machine
Take a look at your hobby store for gears and such.
Once you have all the parts you need shafts and such it is an easy build.
I will be updating this as I construct a new unit and posting more information and videos.
Any information anyone has on this would be great to add as well.
Sincerely
vesperhbt
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mindshare
Starting Member
Canada
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Posted - 26/10/2009 : 03:49:03 AM
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Daftman's coil making jig has a counter made from a simple tick counter. As the rotation moves along, as it reaches the 360 point, a piece of wood moves an arm to click the counter. Very simple. Amazing.
Now, for us that do not have a wood shop, hacking existing parts is what I am into. For instance, I am using a simple cane to hold my wire bobbins and using simple friction, (stuck them on the floor!), to prevent the wire bobbins from un-reeling! Oh boy, but it works!!! |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 6:48:44 PM
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Yes I can see how that works too but I am a multitasker and like to do several things at once and I don't like to babysit my coils thus the automatic coil machine for under $100 USD.
I will be making a video of how to make this very soon
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
 Posted - 28/10/2009 : 10:20:59 AM
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Okay here is a very simple coiling device and bobbin you can make for very little money and it will work for a very long time. I used this before I made my coil machine.
Parts you will need:
1. Drill (can get them cheep from the pawn shops or resale)
2. Clamp (large enough to clamp drill in place to board or bench) (vice or C-clamp works great).
3. PVC ½” Get a scrap if you can a full length is 10’ that is a lot of coils.
4. 2 Reducer end cap 1.5” to .5” for each spool / bobbin.( IE-- used to reduce the 1 ½” pipe to except the ½” pipe)
5. PVC glue and primer
6. Brass Pins / aluminum nails.
7. 8” of all-thread and 4 nuts with 2 washers (sized for the drill chuck and the nuts to fit snug in the ½” PVC pipe) small gaps can be spaced with electrical tape for a good fit, just wrapped around the nuts when finished.
8. Electrical tape
9. 220 grit sand paper.
10. 1 ½” closed screw eye.
11. A sliding dimmer switch that can plug into your drill and the home power. ( premade are available for lamps they work great)
12. Hacksaw or Dermal tool with cutter.
13. Needle nose pliers
14. soldering iron
15. Stick lighter ( or Bick / Zippo)
16. ( optional ) Heat gun
17. ( optional ) 1.75 dim wiring heat shrink.
Okay now we have the parts let’s get started.
1. Take your drill clamp it to your working area.
2. Chuck in the all-thread tight
3. Take one nut run it down the all-thread almost to the chuck of the drill.
4. Add a washer then the next nut tighten them angst each other.
5. Run the next nut to about 1.5” from the last nut. Tape in place on each side so it won’t move up or down.
6. Have your last nut and washer ready for the final assembly.
Your winder is ready now for the spool/ bobbin.
1. First cut your ½” PVC to 1.5” (1 ½”) how ever many you will need for all your coils.
2. Take the end cap / reducer and cut the bulk of the material off so that it is .25” ( ¼”) thick and flat on one end. (dimension of cut part is 1.5x . 25” ).
3. Now sand the ends to take off any rough spots or burrs.
4. On an edges take the brass pins and holding them with the pliers heat them with your iron until they will press into the edge of the PVC end cap / reducer. You will need 2 for each winding you are using a start and end for your coil. ( IE—for a bi coil you would need 4 pins ETC.)
5. Now with the pins out on the end cap glue the ends to your pipe and the bobbin is done.
Now for the fun part winding:
1. Plug in your drill to the dimming switch and give it a play. ( if your drill does not have a manual stay button for the ON tape the trigger in the ON position)
2. Now take your bobbin and slide it on the rod and over the nut to the washer take the next washer and slide it to the other end of the bobbin
3. Now spin down the last nut to the washer and finger tight then just a bit with the wrench ( DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN)
Okay your ready give it a spin “see it works”.
1. Now your wire spools can go about 24” away from your coil and vertical on a nail or screw just to hold them in place
2. Screw in your screw eye to your working area mounting board about 6” away from the wire spools thread all wires through the eye and to your coil. (to keep the wire from back spinning just wrap it with 2 or 3 rubber bands)
3. Take one end of your wires and using the lighter burn off the coating on the wire and solder to the start pin for each wrapping of your coil.
4. Run it down the inside edge of the coil and place a vertical piece of tape to hold it in place for your first few windings.
Start winding and guide this with your hand and go slow at first use your dimmer for the speed control. Your first 2 windings are the road map for the rest of the coil. After 3 or 4 windings remove the vertical tape from the edge of the bobbin and keep spooling to about 500 turns.
( To figure the amount of turns make a cam from another washer and get a dollar store calculator and set it so that the cam will press the = button each time the shaft rotates) now just enter 1 + 1 and you are ready to start counting your turns ( not going into this part you can figure it out I’m sure)
After the 500 or so cut and burn and solder to the end pins on your bobbin.
(optional) run some tape over the coil to protect it. I use the heat shrink at this point to make them look really nice.
Your core is up to you welding rods Lincon R60’s work great. Cut to length and tap in tight supper glue each end.
Other cores too can be used see my other posts for more information or just email me.
Well there you have it. I hope this helps you make better coils.
Sincerely,
vesperhbt
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2009 : 6:50:03 PM
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What other types of cheap mechines do you all use?
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 9:16:47 PM
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hi vespa.
Indeed i did finish it... I'll have to do another vid and show it working...
itt's not exactly brilliant but it does do the job...
The best tip i can give you is to use metal gears not plastic ones as i've stripped teeth off a few cogs and worms due to the wire getting jammed...
I also had to use a resister on the feed to the main wind motor since the torque had a tendancy to bend and snap things...
That counter board you posted in your first post looks like the exact same one i purchased, it uses a pic micro controler...
My coil winder can do over 100 windes per min. However i slowed it down for the simple reason that it increases acuracy...
You can make a cararge to automatically move the head to position the wire as it winds on and moves down to bobin. All you need is two contact switches and two double pole double throw (DPDT) relays...
I'll try to do a video tomarrow...
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2009 : 04:59:07 AM
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Cool that would be a great help. I would love to see it working and what it takes for the carriage. Cant wait to see it.
I made this simple coil machine listed above to help out some people that had emailed me to see if I could make a winder that was not so costly. I think I did this in my description listed above.
Would love to post photos and videos but I don't know how on this forum, maybe you can explain this to me on how to do this?
Thank you
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2009 : 05:31:17 AM
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The controller was not easy to find it took all day of searching I found several that could have worked but I knew you had one that worked I just needed to track it down so I used your first video as reference and then looked it up.
Glad to know it may be the exact same as what you are using. Good news!
On my design I plan on using a direct drive gear motor for the spinning with a compound clutch so it wont bind up if it gets stuck or caught. I have several Hundreds of a 12 volt DC 1 to 60 variable gear motor that I used for a different product a few years back so if I use 2 of them one for the coil winding and one for the carriage I think this should work well?
But I will be looking to your video for inspiration.
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/11/2009 : 01:31:52 AM
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motors should work, but i'll re-itterate not to try building for speed at first... it doesn't matter if it takes a winder 2-3 hours provided it does it 100% acurite...
Also, mine is somewhat noisey! lol
I think the boards were from a companey called vellomon or something like that... i'll find the website tomarrow.
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2009 : 03:27:28 AM
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Yes I agree speed does not matter if it does not work in the end. Thank you for the site info.
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 9:10:11 PM
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the unit was from velleman...
www.velleman.de
the unit i have got is here http://www.velleman.eu/ot/en/product/view/?id=348233
hope it helps
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2009 : 10:23:09 PM
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Cool that is the same exact design and circuit as the one I found and is made out of the same place so we are on the same page.
thank you so much
I don't use a standard circuit for my motor and so I thought I would build one just to compare the designs so I will be doing allot of how toos Videos very soon step by step for all the new people that want to try this for the first time. I want a complete list of as many circuit designs as I can get so I can compile them all into a one stop shop if you will for all new people to get there feet wet in this exciting field.
What do you think?
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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vesperhbt
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USA
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2009 : 12:44:37 AM
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New video coming soon on the coil machine that I describe above easy to build and cheep to make under $20.00 (if you have a drill)
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2009 : 12:57:23 AM
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vespa, fancy having a crack at writing an FAQ for pulse motors for the new people?
Perhaps you might want to include references to my utube transister how too's and other guides etc...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2009 : 01:11:17 AM
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Hummmm? Well yes that is a good idea a complete how to from start to finish and all the reference materials and cross linked sites as well. Pretty big job to do all that, would take some time to source but can be done.
Maybe I will start next week on this.
Any reference material you want to add just send them to my email so I can add them in the post.
What do you think I should call it
Maybe "Pulsing in a new beginning" or "pulse motors made easy"
don't know what do you think...
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2009 : 01:15:14 AM
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Is there a way to have a pulse motor using 300 milliamp and a rotation of 1800 RPM to do the same work on 200 Milliamp????
Is it the coil the core or the drive circuit. Can this be done? I think yes.
What do you think?
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2009 : 01:41:19 AM
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well...
Assuming you've minimised all resistancies...
the only way to cut down on the current draw is to 'over' tune the circuit or reduce the voltage...
Doing ether of thee will sacrifice RPM... unless your using my turbo mods...
Reducing number of magnets may get you a little more efficiency...
But, TBH, 300mA @ 1800 is allmost as good as mine... 100mA @ ~700RPM ( 2100RPM @ 300mA if scaled up)
The only other thing to try is to over wind your coil... adding an extra 5-10% more turns should reduce your current draw without sacrificing toom much RPM, you'll also slightly increase BEMF output... but only slightly...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
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USA
445 Posts |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
333 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2009 : 12:46:42 PM
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nice simple coiling machine with a counter...:))
i think it will help out some teeps...;-)
Peace!
V2DAY
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2009 : 2:04:28 PM
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I really hope so it is easy and will be cheep to make under 20 $ or so, and any one can build it.
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor |
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Coil making machine Parts and how too's.
