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David
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 Posted - 17/10/2009 : 09:54:52 AM
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Hello,
I am new here and am looking to understand the goal of these motors and generators being constructed here. I have seen various references to "newman" motors and I am curious as to what makes them different or better than any other commercially available motor, like an AC induction motor, permanent magnet motor, brushless DC motor or universal motor.
David
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/10/2009 : 3:12:06 PM
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Peoples objectives are diferent...
Mine and a few others on here is to build a 'device' that not only powers it self buy also produces excess power too...
And that is without using any sort of fuel or external input (solar, wind etc)...
However, a lot of what the more advanced builders discover is a way of 'saving' power, or making something more efficient and thus we post plans and diagrams etc so that the 'general public' can take it onboard and build something...
Now, most of what is done is built on an existing device such as bedini, newman, gray, tesla and these names are given by their inventers names such as John Bedini... etc
These 'types' of motors are just the foundation to build from... for example, my pulse motor started out as a bedini pulse motor, however if you tried to compair it to bedini's own build it looks nothing like it...
Now, their is a word of caution... their are patents on these devices, but the patents are such that provided you are not building and selling these devices you are allowed to copy them for your own use...
When i started out, it took me 3 months going through all the utube video's doing searches etc to bring myself upto date with what everyone is doing and has tried previously and where devices have failed...
Does that make things clearer?
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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David
Starting Member
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Posted - 17/10/2009 : 4:57:45 PM
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 17/10/2009 : 9:57:43 PM
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i second that CW...well put m8...;-)
every 1 have a different aproch but that is a good thing tho.
makes no sence if we all made the same duplicate
Peace!
V2DAY
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 17/10/2009 10:02:08 PM |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2009 : 09:09:28 AM
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Originally posted by David
How do they produce "excess power"? And has anyone built such a device?
Thats the key question... I've seen 'claims' from people that their device produces excess power, but nothing i'd consider concret!
So, how do you build such a device, well thats the hard part...
the basic principal of a generator is that you pass a magnets past a coil of wire which then produces electricity...
Now, the problem is you have two laws of physics that screw up most peoples dreams, and they are listed in my signiture...
I have thaught about writing a book for beginners that are trying to get into the 'free energy' devices, but every time i try to think of a starting place i realise just how thick the book would be and how much time would be required...
Their are a lot of 'quack' people and companies that try to make money off 'not so informed' people which is ruening the name for the rest of us... it's mainly the sales of 'plans to build your own' sorry but, if those plans actually worked then the inventer would not be selling the plans to make £20 or whatever... he'd be making the devices and selling them for £1,000's.
I could go on, and on, and ON! but i not...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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David
Starting Member
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 3:29:59 PM
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 17/11/2009 : 03:52:07 AM
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Originally posted by David
What is a "free energy" device and where does the energy come from?
Tesla called it "radiant energy" and it can be found in ball lightning,
it can be called "cold electricity" and produced electronically, but the trick
is converting RE to CC (conventional current) for our use. Here's a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXLnAtBqMzY
this device separates CC and RE and allows the "cold electricity" to safely
illuminate light bulbs underwater, and fingers to be in the water at the same time!
Not suggesting you try this, it is just to illustrate RE.
OPEN SOURCERER APPRENTICE!
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2009 : 3:11:35 PM
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Free energy is the ability to preform a function with out the input of energy form an exterior source. IE self generation. The problem is brilliant and well put by CW.
Collecting energy safely and efficiently is the problem. the theory is onre lightning bolt could run a small city's grid for 1 day, the problem is the type of energy it is and the speed it is transfered,mix that with storage and now you can see Way we all don't have lightning rod power plants.
When the mag passes the coil and core it introduces the electrons into motion, this is caused by force IE energy in a direction, this is transformed or collected to preform a task. Now depending on how many times the electron is tugged and pushed will drive our current devices that we use all the time in our day to day life. (AC) Now that sounds simple but the reason why we don't gust have power shocking us all the time is it does not like to move. Ions in the atmosphere and electrons sit like an invisible gel coating everything but not moving. Like how h2O is until you pore it heat it or freeze it it will just sit there.
So the magnet is our force and the copper coils are the path for the electrons to flow one direction or back and forth depending on the circuit.
What we are all trying to do is create a force to move electrons into a directed path to be collected and used to preform tasks. remember the rule equal and opposite reactions. well that holds true here as well the force it takes to move the electron to wards another and bumping that one into motion causes resistance and drag that must be over come as well so with that said it takes in most cases more force to move the electron then the electron can provide from its motion forward.
SO how do we get free energy from this impossibility? Simple think of the electron like a spring. Pressing on the spring requires force but letting it go it returns to its shape. the return can be harvested and stored as free energy to combined to the pressing force to reduce the demands of the input power.
Over time and through tuning yes we can make a device self run, we are just not 100% there yet but some of us are close.
Hope that explains it a little.
vesperhbt
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 18/11/2009 : 12:52:27 AM
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Originally posted by David
What is a "free energy" device and where does the energy come from?
hi david,
'free energy' depends on your definition of 'free'.
One definition is that you can get 'free energy' from a solar pannel or wind turbine because your not paying for the energy that it's producing...
If you want to be pedantic (precise) about the definition then their is no 'free energer' because at some point you pay for the device ether as componants or as a ready built unit...
However, in these forums our rought definition is that 'free energy' comes from a device that does not use any external power, or a fule of any kind, not light/heat/wind/sound dependant and does not require and additional input from a user...
so for example just think of a 1 meter cube steel box that has nothing but wall sockets on the outside. You can pick it up and theirs no extra cabling underneith...
Now, 'free energy' is also known as overunity... Unity means equal and over unity means more than equal.
To the best of my knowledge no one has created an overunity device. so, where would the energy actually come from, is a good question...
As i explained earlyer, two physics laws that screw around with us TEEPS...
The first one "Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" this one is one of those hidden laws. If for example you think that a 100 watt light bulb converts all of the 100 watts of energy into light and nothing else then you don't know enough to try to create a 'free energy' device because you can't see where your energy is going...
The second law is the mother of all laws, "Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" this applys to forces and motion but is it a mistake to think that it only applys to mechanical forces and motion. Voltage is a force and the electron flow from the negative of a battery to the positive - this is motion.
Magnetic field is a force too...
So, the magnetic field pushes the electrons in a coil of wire thus creating voltage...
however, their is an opposite reaction... if the electrons do not move becaus no power is being drawn from the coil then their is no opposite action. BUT as soon as you draw power from the coil you get an opposite reaction which (in the case of coils of wire ) we call LENZ. This is named after the scientist that discoverd it. LENZ is caused when you draw power out of the generator coil of wire which generates a magnetic field (in proportion to the strengh of the magnetic field from the magnet and the amount of power you draw) that oposes the magnet field that created the power in the coil thus it creates lenz drag on your rotor and slows your device down and can stop it...
It is believed that a generator coil in a perticular configuration can ether 'distroy' the lenz effect OR use it to power the device.
Also, be aware, that to some people, LENZ is a sware word... lol
I hope that helps
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
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USA
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The goal of these motors and generators.
