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ardyle
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 01:33:24 AM
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I think you should post an image of it here, so we can see what it looks like.
My two favorite motor designs are by EV Gray and new design by TWM Technology which they put into an electric car conversion. In fact, they put the prototype that I'm interested in into a 1951 Ford 1-ton pick-up truck. MP3 Audio Interview
EV Gray's Motor Design in Operation
Who was EV Gray? Well, he built the EV Gray Motor, and he understood how to split the positive, which actually does work, according to the evidence. You can test the theory with three batteries and a light bulb, which when lit shouldn't produce any heat from the bulb because it uses another form of electricity, called cold electricity.
These were and are radically different electric motor designs for use in electric vehicles. It's too bad these motors are not available to the general public.
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cass
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 4:12:55 PM
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wow that first video is crazy, is it high voltage? looks like he has a mini tesla coil, i dont know what it really is but it looks cool, and sounds cool...
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ardyle
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 07:09:16 AM
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Splitting the Positive
Cold electricity won't shock you.
click here to see a Google video about it by Dr. Peter Lindemann
Biography on Dr. Peter Lindemann
Here's a Youtube video about it, but the video quality is poor.
E V Gray 1986 Promotional Video Part One
E V Gray 1986 Promotional Video Part Two
E V Gray 1986 Promotional Video Part Three
History of the EV Gray Motor - Lecture
The Konehead Pulse Motor by Doug Konzen
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ardyle
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 07:57:18 AM
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Here's an interesting overunity example utilizing a motor-controller, a 3-phase motor, an alternator, a batcap, and an inverter capable of powering an inductive load. |
Edited by - ardyle on 11/11/2009 08:07:37 AM |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 10:10:08 AM
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I looked over this information and I have just a few points.
one: why is this just a bulk video of other peoples work what are you trying to prove with this topic?
Two: In the last video (the Donald duck) he makes the claim that using grid power to run a three phase motor to run an alternator using magnets as the coupling device between them is an "Over opportunity" unit.
Well lets break this down a little: Okay grid power to run a 3 phase motor "Do I need to say more" It is plugged into grid power??????
Next the linkage between the motor and the alternator are magnets, so what is that proving you could have used a couple of pulleys and a belt or gear to gear and done the same thing. etc
Next he is using an alternator to output to the battery and then to an inverter to a light bulb.
Hmmmmmm..... Well it seams I have seen this before,,,,,But where????? O i remember under the hood of my car and trucks? Wait this is on all cars and trucks? This is how they charge the battery normally.
An inverter for the load??? I can buy an inverter to run half my house off one car battery.. (how do I know Because I lived in a hurricane zone that lost power for weeks that is how I run my home when the GRID goes down). just need enough gas to keep the car running. I never thought to plug the car into the grid? O wait there is no power, sorry.
So lets see A gas motor on a car connected to an alternator to charge the battery? Sounds the same as the grid power to run the electric motor to run the alternator.
Over opportunity????? I really do not think so at all. Clearly the video maker does not understand the meaning.
For this to truly be an over-opportunity motor it would need to be a closed loop so that the alternator is generating the input power for the three-phase motor as well as having enough left over to run the load on its own with no outside grid or other fuel source.
This is the basics for this. Sorry but that video is yet another hoax. No I stand corrected not a hoax just a lack of knowledge on his part.
No offense intended just the facts.
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 10:23:56 AM
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Now the EV Gray motor has allot of interesting things and is on the right path. Good video.
As for the other videos I have no comments on reclaiming work done by other researchers and calling it my own, Sorry don't believe in that. Points of reference are on thing, we all start from somewhere.
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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ardyle
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 07:43:51 AM
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Well into the design proses for my newest motor that uses 38 complete drive trigger and slave coils is on magnetic bearings, to increase speed and to cut the friction balance and centering are the biggest things to overcome. It is a real step forward to say the least. I use a different winding array but along the same lines as what you are describing,,, save the rotor being flat has been replaced and modified into a sphere with the windings on the inside and the mags on the outside with independent coils for excess power development from the magnetic discharge for the coils interaction. I use a principle I am calling "field generation collapse" (FGC) Kind of hard to explain but in my video soon to come it will explain it all. I am designing and testing in AutoCad and in a testing program that simulates real life conditions at the moment. So as soon as I finish testing I will use our 6 axis CNC machine and cut the necessary parts to size and construct the motor. Till then back to testing.
What were the results of your testing? |
Edited by - ardyle on 12/11/2009 07:45:42 AM |
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ardyle
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 07:46:43 AM
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I looked over this information and I have just a few points.
one: why is this just a bulk video of other peoples work what are you trying to prove with this topic?
Two: In the last video (the Donald duck) he makes the claim that using grid power to run a three phase motor to run an alternator using magnets as the coupling device between them is an "Over opportunity" unit.
Well lets break this down a little: Okay grid power to run a 3 phase motor "Do I need to say more" It is plugged into grid power??????
Next the linkage between the motor and the alternator are magnets, so what is that proving you could have used a couple of pulleys and a belt or gear to gear and done the same thing. etc
Next he is using an alternator to output to the battery and then to an inverter to a light bulb.
Hmmmmmm..... Well it seams I have seen this before,,,,,But where????? O i remember under the hood of my car and trucks? Wait this is on all cars and trucks? This is how they charge the battery normally.
An inverter for the load??? I can buy an inverter to run half my house off one car battery.. (how do I know Because I lived in a hurricane zone that lost power for weeks that is how I run my home when the GRID goes down). just need enough gas to keep the car running. I never thought to plug the car into the grid? O wait there is no power, sorry.
So lets see A gas motor on a car connected to an alternator to charge the battery? Sounds the same as the grid power to run the electric motor to run the alternator.
Over opportunity????? I really do not think so at all. Clearly the video maker does not understand the meaning.
For this to truly be an over-opportunity motor it would need to be a closed loop so that the alternator is generating the input power for the three-phase motor as well as having enough left over to run the load on its own with no outside grid or other fuel source.
This is the basics for this. Sorry but that video is yet another hoax. No I stand corrected not a hoax just a lack of knowledge on his part.
No offense intended just the facts.
vesperhbt
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why is this just a bulk video of other peoples work what are you trying to prove with this topic?
Response: I'm not trying to prove anything.
Question to you: What are you trying to prove?
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Do I need to say more It is plugged into grid power??????
Response: I think with respect to you, the less said, the better.
Question to you: So What?
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Next the linkage between the motor and the alternator are magnets, so what is that proving you could have used a couple of pulleys and a belt or gear to gear and done the same thing. etc
Response: Why does everything have to be "proving" something to you?
Question to you: Who cares?
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I can buy an inverter to run half my house off one car battery..
Response: I don't care.
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Sorry but that video is yet another hoax. No I stand corrected not a hoax just a lack of knowledge on his part.
Response: Whatever. |
Edited by - ardyle on 12/11/2009 07:56:38 AM |
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ardyle
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 07:58:33 AM
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As for the other videos I have no comments on reclaiming work done by other researchers and calling it my own, Sorry don't believe in that.
No one is doing that. EV Gray is dead. No one is attempting to take his work and claim as his own. What they are trying to do is save his work and keep it from being lost. And as for what you believe, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. |
Edited by - ardyle on 12/11/2009 08:03:42 AM |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 08:30:20 AM
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Okay thats cool.
Donald Duck video response.
In the video I am referring to the claim is "over opportunity". I am stating that the fact is it is not.
Why do I care because there are allot of people that want to build and make true this statement and allot of people may be confused by some claims. It is a point to display correct information about the topics and ideas presented here with in this forum. It is also the point to discuss them and verify the information. If the information can not be verified then it can not be displayed as fact. That is what I was pointing out. If it is not fact it is fiction.
My proving is that we are not dependent on the grid for a power source and that through hard work and factual design we can generate our own power and inspire others to do the same. IE free power to all people.
The point is if you are still plugged into the grid what did you make but another grid powered device that is claiming to be something it is not, proving by the pure definition said by the inventor in the video. (Donald duck video)
It is not proving to me it works, it is proving it to the rest of all the people and science commits that what is being claimed is real. The video maker is trying to prove something, and claim something that was the point of the video. So by looking at the information presented and using the definition of the terms claimed I made a determination based on those facts alone. The proof is not for me to make... Just to analyze and respond to my personal findings about what was presented.
If the video maker had said " I don't know what I made but it generates power". then there would not be a discussion about that fact because it does in fact generate power.... That is a fact...
However the maker of the video claimed that "he had made an over opportunity motor" and the fact is it is not. That was the point. Facts.
Hope this illuminates what I was meaning from before.
As for my motor I have several that I am working on how ever the one you were asking about is not made yet I am sourcing a 6 + axis CNC machine to buy so that I can build my motor and other projects. Then I will reply with the findings.
I have posted a new concept I am currently working on however.
vesperhbt
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ardyle
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 10:45:00 AM
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Lorke
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 23/11/2009 : 07:46:26 AM
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Ardyle, the Videos are an interesting and thought provoking mix. Some help (me at least) explore new ideas, and I thank you for that.
This is a forum for discussing energy generation and unity/over unity. I for one enjoy it when others on the forum make comments like Vesper did. Funny but I did not see it as aimed at you as at the maker of the video.
That aside, how is your work on the Bearden collector coming along?
****Its like building a puzzle but you have never seen the picture, and you only get 3 pieces a week.**** |
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ardyle
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Posted - 24/11/2009 : 2:34:07 PM
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I have a block diagram of the circuit, but I still need a circuit diagram or schematic. I built one device which uses a relay and a bank of capcitors. It follows the following pattern but without the step-charging of the capacitor bank.
The problem with relays is the points wear out and they consumer power, and you can't step-charge with a relay.
The unit must be solid-state. That's where I'm at.
Theory
Block Diagram
Broken Symmetry
Suppression
"We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to
tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it."
--Thomas Jefferson to William Roscoe, 1820. |
Edited by - ardyle on 24/11/2009 3:55:18 PM |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
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Posted - 24/11/2009 : 11:12:15 PM
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Ardyle: I will try to source something that will work for you please give me a little time since it is the holidays. Also I will watch the videos you just posted when I have a bit of time.
What is your function criteria for this?
Hope to help.
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor |
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Tom Bearden's Charge Collector Free Energy Device
