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comwarrior
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Posted - 18/05/2009 :  05:51:01 AM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone, i can say that my gen3 system has a complete back EMF feed back to source...
It's in final developement now and due for testing mid week...

Be aware, beginners will be completely lost and / or confused it's not a simple system...

Feel free to take a look...


"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

Edited by - okman on 18/05/2009 10:37:10 AM

comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/05/2009 :  12:29:58 PM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
erm... thanks okman for editing my post... ;)

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comwarrior
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Posted - 19/05/2009 :  5:58:40 PM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
first test of my GEN3 system... did not go according to plan...
My coils started self oscilating like crazy... even when i turned my pot all the way up to 10K it was still going...

Now, some people will say this is good... however, for what i'm trying to do, this is BAD! especially when i turned up the pot it was drawing 170mA...

Another note is that the drive coil back emf capacitors showed something bad... one was at 16 volts and the other was at -4 volts... NOT GOOD!

It's allmost midnight here so I'm going to have a long hot shower and then take my circuit to bed and see if i can figure out why it's self oscilating...

- their is a reason why my avatar shows a stick person banging their head againsed a wall...

:edit
I can't spell tonight...

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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

Edited by - comwarrior on 19/05/2009 6:00:19 PM
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Trait
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USA
39 Posts

Posted - 19/05/2009 :  10:25:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Comwarrior,

Very interesting circuit there, I'll be keeping a close eye on your post to see how it works out.

What software did you use to layout your circuit? Awfully handy!

Good luck!

Aaron
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/05/2009 :  10:51:23 AM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I use national instruments multisim... a software package worth about £500 i think...
just waiting for utube to confirm update 12 and then i'll link here...

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95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

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comwarrior
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Posted - 20/05/2009 :  4:21:43 PM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote


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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/05/2009 :  6:15:03 PM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I'm working on resolving the problems with my gen3 system...
I think i've resolved the issue with the Voltage Doubling Rectifier (VDR) causing the system to self oscilate, unfortunatly by doing so i've made my bedini control system quite complecated...

I've also resolved the issue with the optical-transister that discharges the back emf cap back to the power suply from switching off too late and shorting out the back emf... angain, this adds complexity to the control system...

Tomarrow (today/Friday) i will be testing it... keep ya fingers crossed for me... lol

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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/05/2009 :  3:29:39 PM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Update 13 has been uploaded...

Feedback to source complete, I've done it... take a look!



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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

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Trait
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USA
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Posted - 22/05/2009 :  8:54:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Comwarrior,

Interesting setup you've got there. I like the ideas you're rolling around.

I've just recently started feeding my BEMF back into a trifilliar wound coil to see what I could get out of it. I run my drive coil then take the back emf straight into another pair on the coil to not only augment the magnetic collapse, but the voltage input to the coil.
You can get some very high voltage spikes doing this and they're much sharper because you're using the first spike to drive the second.

Good luck with the project!

Aaron
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/05/2009 :  1:42:38 PM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
hi trait,

if you could get the right timing, you could just use one bifilar and a load of single filer couls all the way around...
This way the BEMF pulse from the drive coil causes the first mono filar coil to pulse, the BEMF from that is fed into the next mono filar coil causing it to pulse... etc... etc... it's one way of re - using energy...

But, IMHO, the most efficient way of re-using energy is to feed it back into the main power bus...

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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/05/2009 :  1:58:38 PM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I've done a final vid on the feedback to source series...
This one CLEARLY shows the bedini running completely from beck EMF for about 5 seconds or so...



Next lines of vids are called "comwarriors quest for the holy power grail"

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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/05/2009 :  04:58:14 AM  Show Profile  Click to see comwarrior's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The return that i'm getting from back emf is aproximatly 10%.
I've taken it in steps from 30mA upto 70mA. I can go any higher than 70mA because the rotor begins to slow down after 70mA...

10% seems a little low to me... but it is consistant

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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69
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