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comwarrior
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Posted - 26/10/2009 : 8:20:23 PM
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you built a bigger one! %£&^£^&%$£$!!(&*!^££
Darn it... i need more money for magnets and wire... lol
Been working on a lot of things recently...
I'm VERY interested to see how this progresses... Can't wait for a vid...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 26/10/2009 : 8:24:50 PM
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vesperhbt
ty m8...:)
@ this moment in time i really dont know what kinda circuit ima gonna use for control/Bemf...
i`ve play with 3 sorts till now...Bedini/Newman & Daftman`s.
i think when ima done with the big unit than i will do some test again 2 see wich 1 i will need 2 get what ima want from it.
@ CW
*Darn it... i need more money for magnets and wire... lol
hahaha...if u only knew how much €€ i put into wires and magnetes...pffff...lol...u should see the face of me wife when i tell her what ima trying 2 accomplish with this...she looks @ me like...hmmm he lost it alright.lol...haha...but she still <3 me...:))
its gonna take awhile for a Vid m8...this time ima taking the time building it the perfect way(i do try)
just decided that ima not happy with the big units coils...so more €€ again for a thicker rotor and so the coils wont stick out(in) in the rotor compartment...
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 26/10/2009 8:34:57 PM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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cass
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 01:43:13 AM
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thank you BiDaDiKuNuKu for that it was extremely helpful and your build is amazingly neat and well designed...looks really big! lol.
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 06:06:54 AM
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Looking really good so far and very neat and clean too I like that allot. Please keep me updated.
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 12:46:31 PM
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just a update on the progress made on the Big Unit of me New_Project...
@ this stage progress seems abit slow but its just that some things 1 really need 2 take the time 4 them...
no need rushing things and make mistakes...trust me on this...1 dont want mistakes @ this stage...that will set u back...
now its time 4 the magnetes 2 go on the rotor...still havent made ma mind on how ima gonna do that...
cant w8 2 see it spinning(not by hand)...but its gonna b worth w8ting 4...
enjoy the pics...
click here 2 see 5 new Pics: http://www.kleinbonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/New_Project-2.html
4got : @ cass...np m8...we r here 2 help out in any way we can...
@ vesperhbt...i will keep u teeps updated...
and thnx 4 the compliments(support) and the Unit isnt that Big...just enough 4 me 2 have working space around/in it...
just saw that this topic has been READ 3000 times...huhh...ima must b doing some right/good...hmmmm havent discoverd what it is tho...hahahaha...lol
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 08/11/2009 1:31:44 PM |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 09/11/2009 : 03:58:27 AM
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Wow Looking very nice
I'm hoping to start my motor next month with a new design using a total of 32 coils all trifler. 16 pulse from both ends 20 deg off set. should provide an interesting power distribution and output. We will see.
CW says it is over kill but can we ever have to many coils? LOL
vesperhbt
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 1:28:25 PM
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thnx vesperhbt...;-)
that motor of yours sounds very interesting with 32 coils m8...:)
post some pics when u made some...:)...keep us updated on that 2...:)
*...CW says it is over kill but can we ever have to many coils? LOL
if having 2 many coils is a problem mine build is useless than...it has in total...hmmm...48 small coils and i think ahhhhh...hmmmm....10 or 13 bigger ones...yeh something like that...:P
about what CW said...what do "U" say about "U" having so many coils on ur motor...??
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 2:12:02 PM
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Really LOL LOL LOL
Well I'm thinking this is just a small version of my main motor that I will build after this 1/2 scale model. My model will measure 24" across and 14" deep. So you can see the size of the full scale unit I will build.
I have a total of over 700 magnets in this motor for everything from bearings to shaft stabilization to aiding in the rotation not to count the magnets to drive the motor into motion. ( yes no friction from the shaft from bearings )
So ya about 700 in total. Almost $1,000 USD worth in just this model. $300,00 USD in plastic and parts. so $1,300 + and there is still more to get.
So it is a real investment in an unknown outcome.
But yes I am putting together a video archive of all it is taking to build this motor when I get closer to building this I will start posting them all on my YouTube page.
I'm also building a very cheep motor for beginners to watch since I have had so many emails on how to build one. So yes a very simple build out of spare parts anyone should have laying around and for under $100,00 total cost. Then the grand daddy will come after that.
Well I'm looking forward to your updates soon.
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 2:32:34 PM
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about what CW said...what do "U" say about "U" having so many coils on ur motor...??
u still havent answer it m8...
lemme put it this way...do u believe in what ur building??...or can others make u change ur mind...??
yep...i have spent some amount of $$ meself on all till now...but its all good...:D
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 2:42:37 PM
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Well in answer I would say I am totally committed to my build and In my full sized unit it will have almost 3 times the coils so I done think there is a way to have to many coils or power I will take all the Regeneration power I can get.
LOL
vesperhbt
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
333 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2009 : 11:06:22 PM
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just an update on me progres so far...:)
last 3 pics r new...:)
click here 2 see 3 new Pics: http://www.kleinbonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/New_Project-2.html
4got:
@ Max...i see...
well ima not always totally commited all the time...
life keeps (me)us very busy...
these r our own projects so we cant build like we want 2 but we do whatever it takes 2 get the job done...;-)
but ima do have very strong believe in meself all the time...:))
keep the faith m8...:)
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 10/11/2009 11:13:19 PM |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 04:30:13 AM
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Yes that is what it takes Faith and lots of it. to be honest I get more of a thrill from the little set backs. Well I will be working over the next few weeks on my newest motor and I am hoping it will produce what I have guessed to be 200 watts of extra power, but who knows I will be glad for it to run a single light bulb.
vesperhbt
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 5:41:16 PM
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what have i done?
what have i done?
I've turned you lot (cass, vespa and bida) into size freeks!
I'm glad to see that i've been able to push people to try and push the boundaries... to use their imaginations and throw out the 'bibles' i look forward to seing your results...
bida, i'm seriously looking forward to seing vids about those monster gen units... hurry up will ya... :p
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 6:36:06 PM
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Well yes you have a point but some times bibles are just a good guide, but not a stopping point just the minimum standards. As far as size well yes the bigger it is the more output it has. But I also want to have the most efficient use of space as well thus the use of my new rotor design.
Well back to work. and yes my new rotor is small but I have plans to gear it up to a monster size of 24" across and a yield of 60 to 70 coils for output. and 3 drive coils. (still working on the design for that.) Then I have my no power start motor. it does not use a trigger or run coil just a magnetic inductance wave and then it self generates. No battery's to run just to hold power for the load. Still have far to go on that but a solid design I have for this.
Well so I'm not into off the shelf rotors anymore but I think the circuit needs to be as simple as possible and use the least amount of power possible to create motion at a given speed. What is that speed, well that is up to you.
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 7:38:36 PM
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bigger scale = more output... YES! this is true..
HOWEVER...
Bigger scale = more force on bearing = more friction
= more air resistance
= more centripetal (centrifugal) forces... which could lead to the device distroying itself at speed...
Theirs a lot of things you have to take into account when you scale up...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
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 Posted - 11/11/2009 : 9:21:17 PM
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lol comwarrior quote:
I've turned you lot (cass, vespa and bida) into size freeks!
"Think of an Idea to Change our World, and put it Into Action"
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 9:30:22 PM
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then again... somethimes bigger is better... ;) lol
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 9:42:01 PM
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Well I do agree In most of this how ever friction can be almost removed by the use of magnetics or vacuum. If you have a self sustaining motor on Mag bearings (like the bearings I have made for my new motor) and you placed it in a vacuum and a magnetic compensate on the unit for pole interference then in thought it could be almost friction less at any size. If in space well mas would not be to much of a factor.
Now back to earth::: totally correct CW as you are always LOL.
But we can through most workings turn a disadvantage into an advantage as well.
Take your turbo. it totally destroyed its self when you first discovered it now you are turning that into a super power motor driver.
If my motor fly's apart I will gain much knowledge and start again as many times as I need to until I get it right. I don't quit if I feel it is possible. (yes my motor with my new rotor design shattered when I ran it at full speed but I redesigned the polymer and run magnet housings and ready for a new test in a few days)
Set backs I love them it is the challenge.
vesperhbt
"The power to change the world"
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 10:25:53 PM
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[smiles at vesper]
indeed, i have had a rotor disintergrate... I had my interference rotor try to dice my hand (that hurt!)...
my little toy now has some custom made springs under it to absorbe the vibrations at such high speeds
The very first bearings i used have shatterd... they got rarther hot ceased but because of the amount of force on my rotor it just blew the bearings apart...
misshaps, yes...
set backs, NO! nothing sets you back, everything that does not do what you expect it it makes you learn just a little bit more...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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vesperhbt
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USA
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 01:29:34 AM
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@ CW...i had this idea of going abit bigger and grazy be4 i went on vacation...dont cry m8...
i went bigger becoz it does give me more space 2 work...have u seen what i have done 2 the Daftman Bat. Swap setup??...i think he hates me now...haha...ima really cant stand working with small stuff...maybe its the age...
*bida, i'm seriously looking forward to seing vids about those monster gen units... hurry up will ya...:p
haha...ima cant w8 either but we all must w8...i cant rush it m8...but ima been making good progress...
if everything goes well this weekend i should have all rotors done and installed in the units...and than comes the fun part......
---just maybe ima make a small Vid 2 let yah see how much momentum the big rotor have...
*Theirs a lot of things you have to take into account when you scale up...
yes there r some things u must keep an eye on...
*Bigger scale = more force on bearing = more friction
my view on friction...here i go...
with FRICTION we create TRACTION wich create MOTION wich produces ENERGY wich means we can produce more friction if we want...:P...haha...i know...insane...
about bearings...now ima use 45percent more efficient bearings...
sound really high tech BUT its only that now they use a diff crease instead of that really sticky stuff...
if u take 1 bearing and clean it out with some anti crease stuff and just put some WD-40 in there...it will spin much more smoother......wish i test it be4 buying these...grrrr...another leason learned...
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 12/11/2009 01:38:33 AM |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 01:41:30 AM
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Once I fully test my new MAG bearings to there potential I will post a link on how to get them they are totally friction less since they have no connection moving parts and they wont wear out.
Different bearings for the weight of your rotor and the direction is important but I can scale or redesign to meet any need.
cool
vesperhbt
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cass
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 02:11:01 AM
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yes vesperhbt those bearings seem very interesting, id like to check them out because right now im just using skateboard bearings in my design....
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2009 : 08:47:08 AM
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I will keep every one updated on there progress as well.
Some specifications are:
Micro neo 42 case and rotor magnets solit single pole R 2 X axis
Casing and inner shaft are Titanium / cobalt
Center shaft is currently 5/16"
OD is 7/8"
Vertical load 9.47 Max Pounds / axial twist load is 2.487 lbs
Horizontal depression load 4.3 max pounds / axial twist load is 2.487 lbs
Shock rotation is 1.45 lbs
Rotation max speed 4800 rpms
Skateboard bearings are good but not meant for the speeds that these motors turn they are just not rated for it. Also they can acquire magnet flat spots causing drag on the motor.
Do a search for "NON MAGNETIC BEARINGS" and you will find several suppliers for new bearings that will preform better then the board bearings and yield a linger life. When looking at them make sure you get the correct ones for your motor design axial or horizontal. Also the RPM's should be double what you think your motor will go.
Hope this helps you out.
vesperhbt
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My first Bedini Motor ever :)
