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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 03/07/2009 : 04:48:49 AM
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thnx m8,
i do like working with wood :)...just take ur time when working with wood...and have/use good sharp tools;-)
2 tell u tha truth i always draw what ima gonna make first...oldskol style...just a pencil, paper, ruler and so on...:)
example...if u got like 3 parts that must fit 2gether nicely...draw each 1 on plain white A4 paper...when done put them on each other like they r suppose 2 go...and hold it against a good source of light...thurst me m8...it works perfect.:D
if yah made a fault somewhere u will see it immediatly...and u can fix it b4 wasting wood and time...than i draw it again on tha wood...u can still see alot of pencil lines on ma Pics i made...
about lenz`s law...i`ve read about that...but i dont focus on that...i know that it effects tha rotor if the GC r 2 close...but i do have plans 4 ma next Window Type Bedini.
i`ve notice some things while making this 1...so it will be different...don know if it will b any good but i wont know till i make it :)...and i`ve got some Dafted plans again...:)...it will be funny if u and i came out with a OU device @ this yr...;-)...time will tell...
Hybrid amalgamated system of multiple technologies will be the way forward... that the best from each type of system...
...so true!
BTW.... a simple carboard tube should do the trick...yeh i know but i want 2 make 1 that is very smooth on tha inside...less air-drag...kinda same as a sportcar airfilter tube...:)
4got...if ima discoverd something wich i think NOT...and if ima can make it better or even OU...u will see it in ma vids and i will post here...but right now i only have got alot of Dafted idea`s...gonna keep them 2 maself till i put them 2 tha test...i aint doing this 2 get a patent on anything or make some $$ out of it(i don need this kinda stress)...just doing this becoz its fun 2 do...and what works i will using in ma Bigger design when time 4 that comes...:)
Peace!
V2DAY
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 03/07/2009 05:31:20 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 10/07/2009 : 06:31:09 AM
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just some figures...
been testing tha newman coil type and with theDaftman Hall/Mosfet circuit...
when ima use the Bedini circuit with reedswitch it use 150/125 Mamp...
when ima use the Hall/Mosfet circuit it use 100/75 Mamp...
why 2 firgures?...well it depends where 1 put tha reed/hall switch...just have 2 play with it till 1 find tha best position 4 it...:)...
i also test tha Hall/Mosfet with 20v(batteries where down in power)...it ran @ double speed with only 125 Mamp...so cool.
don know RPM but i think around 1000 max(not much compare 2 Bipolar circuit BUT using alot less amp(Bipolar is 1.2amp)...not bad such efficient amp draw...
those r some good figures...Hall/Mosfet is 1/3 of Bipolar speed BUT with 1/10 amp draw...pretty good...:)
hmmm...this does give some Dafted idea again...btw...newman coil is 70/80 turn each top & bottom....0.6mm
now if only i could get it 2 run @ about tha same RPM as the Bipolar 1 but without tha amp draw of tha Bipolar 1???...
havent make any pics or vid becoz theres not much 2 see yet...
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 10/07/2009 06:43:52 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 15/07/2009 : 5:45:27 PM
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oke...just some info on tha Window Type...
been playing with it alot and got some numbers that don make any(not much) sence 2 me yet...:P
oke...input is 12,5v and 1,4Amp
generated amp is 0,4amp...this is from the Trigger coils or something...
tha windgenerator produces like 9.5v dc...but heres tha thing...??
when i try 2 messure its amps @ this 9,5vDC its about 3.72amp??...but just 4 a second??...the moment i put tha multimeter on the wires(the positive and negative) afther tha BR...it slows down ma generator...and tha Amp drop 2 like 0,05Amp??
yeh...i know ima no expert with these meters...:P
i did test it many times...every time is tha same...
i even messure a AA battery and its about 1.75Amp...so i do think that ima messuring the amps tha right way...or not!
and btw...when 1 messure amp its not suppose 2 like interfear with the generator???
btw-2...that generator ima using on tha Prop is a electro-motor from a Epson printer i had...these type i think some U-Tubers call stepper motors...1 thing is for sure...they dont need much RPM 2 produce some good voltage...
btw-3...does any1 knows a website that sell props?? in Europe...3/4/5 blades 1`s...like 25cm across...ty
still have a very bad flexibel prop on tha gen...no good...
btw-4...4got 2 mention...@ this moment the system is running on a bedini with darlington pair(2 x TIP3055)...and the voltage on the charge battery was like 16volt(kinda high i think)...cant messure voltage alone becoz it fry tha neon in seconds...
btw-5...those 6 GC on tha top r still there...@ this moment they r producing each like 6vAC...but if ima put load on it it will slow down abit...but its better than be4(be4 with load it slows down alot)...just need some more balancing...
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 15/07/2009 6:10:07 PM |
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comwarrior
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Posted - 16/07/2009 : 12:11:36 PM
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right... where do i begin....
Rotor slow down when under load is lenz effect...
Input power is 12.5 X 1.4 = 17.5 Watts
"when i try 2 messure its amps @ this 9,5vDC its about 3.72amp??...but just 4 a second??...the moment i put tha multimeter on the wires(the positive and negative) afther tha BR...it slows down ma generator...and tha Amp drop 2 like 0,05Amp??"
The 'surge' can be ignored... it will be caused by a capacitor or capacitive element...
You can't calculate generator output from no load voltage and full load curent... you need to put a resister across the FWB and measure the voltage across the resister and the curent going into the resister...
surege curent through an AA battery... I've seen an AA produce 10 amps briefly... but shorting out any battery is bad...
Charge battery voltage above 14.5 volts is bad, unless it's a crappy battery with very sulfated plates...
do not try to measure the back emf voltage... I killed two multimeters that way... unless you use a HV cap...
With the way you have your gen coils you can't escape the lenz effect... however... i wonder what would happen if you put a perminant magnet on the back of the gen coils...
:D
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 07:00:22 AM
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hi m8,
thnx 4 ur input,
ima not trying 2 escape mister lenz...just trying 2 make him work with me...:)Balance...
You can't calculate generator output from no load voltage and full load curent... you need to put a resister across the FWB and measure the voltage across the resister and the curent going into the resister...
oke...i`ve heard this be4...haha...but will try it sometime soon...:)
a magnete on the backs of GC...that i can do and see what happends...:)
btw...when i get tha balance right with mister Lenz...ima have a cool way 4 using that generated energy...:)...
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
"1 often meets his destiny on tha road he takes 2 avoid it" |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 17/07/2009 07:11:51 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 1:22:08 PM
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You can't calculate generator output from no load voltage and full load curent... you need to put a resister across the FWB and measure the voltage across the resister and the curent going into the resister...
some questions about this messurements thing...???
resistor across tha FWB...what a FWB?...how acros??
and how 2 connect a meter 4 messure the current going in tha resistor??...is this like the same as the meter 4 tha input current??
i can really use a pic here...ma brain works kinda like a camera...what i see ima can understand and dont 4get...just reading it...well aint gonna stay up here...remember that bucket full of holes...:)
Peace!
V2DAY
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comwarrior
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Posted - 19/07/2009 : 07:13:20 AM
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FWB is a Full Wave Bridge Rectifier... one of those black things with 4 pins... or 4 diodes in a diamond...
taking load readings is the same as that from primary battery...
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95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
333 Posts |
Posted - 23/07/2009 : 10:34:24 AM
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oke teeps,
just wanted 2 leave yah with some pics...the last 3 r new...:)
just 2 show that ima not near done with this Window Type thing...;p
this setup is ma last...the next 1 will be bigger/different becoz i don have tha space 2 work on this 1 anymore...
4got 2 mention...coils r different(mix of Bedini/Newman/Daftman) but i can run Bedini/Newman circuit and theDaftman Hall/Mosfet...all with 1 Rotor setup...  ...yes i have tested already... and it works perfect...
click here : http://www.kleinbonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor_Window%20Type.html
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
"1 often meets his destiny on tha road he takes 2 avoid it" |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 23/07/2009 10:53:53 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 27/09/2009 : 4:34:50 PM
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hi teeps,
i have drawn a nice setup 2 build now(4 me it is)
its gonna be i most Ambitious design till now...dont know if its a lenzless or useless setup (haha) but it will b cool 2 make...:)...i hope
will post some pics as soon as ima have build some parts of it.
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 03/10/2009 : 10:31:14 PM
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hi teeps,
just wanted 2 let u know that i have been constructing all evening and night on i New Projecto...pfffff (its now 05:20am) must b losing me marbles...@ least me wife dont mind me being in the basement all day...;-))
anyway...i don know what 2 call this build becoz i don know if ima gonna make it run with Bedini, theDaftman Hall/Mosfet circuit or some other device...it does have the look of the Window Type...when something works 4 yah...stick with it.
click here 2 see 3 pics...http://www.kleinbonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/New_Project.html
first pic...well lots of HV-Gen coils
second pic...some parts of the whole setup...u get the idea.
third pic...1 350mm rotor(maybe) i may change it 2 nylon, pvc or something like that...depends on the price.
Peace!
V2DAY
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comwarrior
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 08:30:47 AM
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YIPES!
Considering a made a boo boo with my large rotor i'm concerned...
But it actually looks like your following some of my designs...
Can't wait to the pix of the dry assembly...
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"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 12:37:46 PM
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*Considering a made a boo boo with my large rotor i'm concerned...
don be concern m8...this rotor is gonna spin like a champ...:)
*But it actually looks like your following some of my designs...
ur design??...don think so m8...i don even understand ur design...and i only build following my heart and not my head...:))
the design change 2day again...its gonna be slighty diff...following ones heart does brings more challenges sometimes...:)
*Can't wait to the pix of the dry assembly...
it will b some time be4 this setup is done becoz i have 2 keep in consideration the parts i need and the ones i can get or make meself...but as soon as i have progress ima post some pics...:)
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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teep
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comwarrior
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 Posted - 11/10/2009 : 07:47:47 AM
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i'm still concerned about weight and lenz drag though...
Would be good if you showed how you made the coils...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 07:06:38 AM
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@ teep...thnx m8...ima not wordy ima not wordy...haha...:))
@ CW...u r 2 concerned about the weight, lenz(this guy again.lol), drag and so on...:P
do u think i would build something without taking all those above in consideration??...yes i would...hahaha...lol...:D
about the coils...havent made them...i bought them all just like that(cheap price)...i used them in the first bedini`s setup as trigger coils...:))...making sooo much coils would b a pain in the "peep"...:)...ima to lazy 4 that...:P
Peace!
V2DAY
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comwarrior
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 12:04:54 PM
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PMSL!
ok, cmon, where you get such nice coils from, what are their specs and how much it cost ya?
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 16/10/2009 : 08:57:32 AM
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hi CW,
sorry 4 me late replay...been very busy m8.
i bought the coils @ a DIY store 4 electronics...:)...
they cost €1,00 each...
they r 0.25mm...the numbers of turns i really dont know.
i have stated earlier that its around 165(i think)...but now i think its is more in the range of 350/500 turns.
Peace!
V2DAY
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Micah
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Posted - 18/10/2009 : 10:43:43 AM
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| Thats looking really good! What kind of wood are you using for wheel in picture 3? Looks like butcher block. |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 19/10/2009 : 07:53:12 AM
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yep...it is a butcher block BUT ima not gonna use that.
becoz it will shatter(Danger) @ 5000 rpm...BUT it is a good piece of round wood for low rpm(+/- 2000rpm)....:)
gonna use Nylon for me Rotor...:)
Peace!
V2DAY
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 2:22:06 PM
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just some info...
just got the coils 4 the Big unit from Farnell and busy making the 3 rotors aswell...:)
i can tell i have decided 2 put coils in every hole in the big unit...it did cost more but why not...:)
bearing holders r in place but i havent put in the shaft yet...i really hope those 2 lined up well...??
the rotors cost more 2 make aswell...oh well...
hope 2 get them done by saterday...:)
will post some pics when ima done fixing the coils and done putting the magnetes in the rotors...8)
Peace!
V2DAY
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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vesperhbt
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Posted - 26/10/2009 : 02:25:47 AM
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Wow Good looking set up what type of circuit are you using for the control and back emf?
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My first Bedini Motor ever :)
