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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 29/04/2009 : 11:41:12 AM
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hi fabonheur,
thnx for ur support and tips on the resistor and yeh i will keep on the experimenting.
i`ve just upgraded the resistor to a 0/5watt 100ohms 1 instead of the 1/8watt 100ohms 1...i will try the light bulp in series with the resistor aswell when i buy 1.
still fry the upgraded 1 in seconds if i dont put a load on it.
i`ve just made a Vid about this setup...its a quick vid becoz i got things 2 do and places 2 b.
i`ve upgraded the voltage regulator aswell...its giving me now 12v evenly instead of 5v.
the radio runs better on the system of 7 Caps(25.000uf 15VDC) and 12V regulator.
really must go now...take care all and Peace!
2 see tha Vid click here: http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 29/04/2009 11:45:00 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2009 : 06:16:42 AM
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hi teeps,
oke...i have a small problem with the window type.
i made a small change...i have wind the bottom coil anticlockwise now...but i cant get it 2 run now...:(
i have drawn what its like now...do check the window page below and see the last Pic on it.
any help or info will b much appriciated...:)
Peace!
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html |
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Nebraska
New Member
USA
38 Posts |
 Posted - 30/04/2009 : 07:31:08 AM
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Hello NiDaDiKuNuKu,
I have been following your work and it appears to be very neat and orderly. Looks good!
I have been building Bedini circuits and deferent coils and rotors for about a year and have now moved on to the Newman type thanks to Daftmans inspiration.
I have a question on your pictures in the link. Most the time you see a North South North South orientation of the magnets on the rotor. This allows you to fire your coils on both sides of the rotor at the same time. When using a dual coil such as a series coil which one is wound clockwise and one counter clockwise you place the coils 180 degrees from each other on the rotor. Opposit sides of the rotor.
Using your North North South South magnet arrangement and wrapping your coils beside each other the magnetic coils when fired would appose each other which would stall your rotor.
Just my 2 cents worth. I have just built my first Newman motor with large neo magnets and it turns very slow. I plan on building a new rotor that places my magnets closer to my coils.
Keep up the good work!
Nebraska.
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 30/04/2009 : 07:54:30 AM
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hi Nebraska,
thnx 4 ur input...and yeh theDaftman is a good inspiration source:))
i do try 2 work neat becoz otherwise i wont see what ima have build in all the mess of wires and stuff.
mannn...but i do need a place 2 work...ma livingroom is no fun...have 2 do vacuumcleaning every 30 minutes when working...that aint no fun.
i think i will stick 2 the clockwise and anticlockwise coil configuration...atleast that 1 really works.
or maybe i will try just 1 bifiliar coil...i`ve seen that in some vids also...works very good.
nice 1...ur Newman motor...do u have a Youtube page where i can view ur vids?? ty
btw: ma widow type didnt run in tha beginning also...than i made it smaller and the spaces between the rotor and wires were reduced alot and bingo..run like a champ.
4got 2 say like always...ma next Window type will be much better...with bearing and a good shaft...and better coils also...i do like the Window Type
take care & Pecae! |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 30/04/2009 08:49:17 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2009 : 11:25:55 AM
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oke Teeps,
first...thnx 2 DadHav 4 the quick replay and good info...u made ma day bro
check the page 4 3 pics & insane RPM...the RPM-meter is not broken...or maybe ima messuring/reading it wrong...
btw...input is 12v.
Peace!
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 30/04/2009 11:30:33 AM |
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/04/2009 : 4:22:06 PM
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Something I came across when taking rpm measurements. You maybe taking 4 readings per-revolution, so you reading will be wrong if this is happening.
A quick fix is:
Paint the magnets and there mounting black, stick a piece of reflective tape on just one magnet and then take a RPM reading.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman |
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tropes
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 30/04/2009 : 5:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by teep
Something I came across when taking rpm measurements. You maybe taking 4 readings per-revolution, so you reading will be wrong if this is happening.
A quick fix is:
Paint the magnets and there mounting black, stick a piece of reflective tape on just one magnet and then take a RPM reading.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman
I'm glad you mentioned the RPM. Just from seeing and listening I'd say it's more like 1100 RPM than 11,000.
Tropes
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2009 : 11:57:21 AM
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Hi TeeP & tropes,
yeh...i do think that the reading is wrong...11000rpm is crazy(not impossible) but with this setup...nah i dont think so either...thnx 4 tha tip...gonna paint ma rotor/magentes all black and leave 1 magnete unpainted(same effect) and messure it again.
but if its 4 readings per revolution...thats 11000 divided by 4= 2750RPM...still good with that bad shaft with no bearings.
and ma last test would be 17535/4= 4383rpm...not bad at all...
oke ma TeePs bro`s...u all have a good weekend & take care...Peace! |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 01/05/2009 4:44:53 PM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
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tropes
New Member
Canada
47 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 11:28:15 AM
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Originally posted by BiDaDiKuNuKu
hi Teeps,
just wanna let u teeps see ma new Window Project...i have finally found a place 2 work...u can see the fruits of that labour already...;-D
check it out: http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_2.html
Peace!
Hi BiDaDik
You do neat work and the digs look good too. No Snow!!!
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2009 : 7:03:12 PM
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hi tropes,
thnx m8...ima doing ma best...hopefully it will be done by the end of next week.
with this build ima taking the time 2 build it as good and clean as possible.
when done i will make a vid of it...:))
Peace! |
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theremart
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/05/2009 : 12:01:03 PM
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I would be very interested which wheel setup turns out better for you. Great work.
See my playground here --> www.youtube.com/marthale7 |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2009 : 2:06:52 PM
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hi theremart,
thnx ma friend.
yeh...i cant w8 either 2 see wich 1 does the job better...hopefully at the end of tha week i will have it running.
Peace! |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 08:52:12 AM
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hi Teeps,
just a update on the new Window type...pics and some info.
update 2 : it was bad connection at the coil...i`ve got it running like 4 3 seconds...it gave me 0.6amps(if i messured it right)...it started 2 gain speed and than it stopped...i did not have any load on it...all tho i didnt smell something burning i`ve change the transistor/resistor and neon just in case...but still no luck...hmmm...when i spin the rotor and turn it on now the rotor stop quickly...like the magnetic field is stopping it???...ohh i`ve also checked the N/S N/S position of the magnets...ma brain is starting 2 hurt now...so ima gonna leave it 4 a while...if yah know what ma problem is...do replay...Peace!
update1...still not running...i`ve check everything lots off time...normally when u turn the rotor by hand u can see some generated voltage...but now when i do that...nothing(zero)...and also when u turn the rotor by hand very fast and than turn the system on it quickly go 2 higher rpm...mine just stop immediatly...help...ma brain starting 2 hurt again from all that thinking ...i`ll keep on trying...
update2...4got 2 say...i`ve even made a second bedini circuit 2 try it out...same results...so ma $$ is on the rotor/coil...magnetes r good...N/S - N/S...coil is clockwise...when i spin tha rotor by hand i do feel the rotor getting stuck(with power on) just like when u put 2 magnetes 2gether with the same pole...anyway...Peace!
update3...just test the system on ma old rotor and coils(just scramble them 2gether)...works like a charm....
so its ma time 2 re-do ma coil and check the rotor/magnetes...so glad it aint ma Bedini(Pandora) box, everthing in tha box is O.K.E......Peace!
Never Surrender...Peace!
check it out: http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_2.html
Peace! |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 07/05/2009 12:06:31 PM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2009 : 11:03:32 AM
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hi teeps,
finally it runs and i know what me problem was...coil and magnetes cofiguration...
Peace! |
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tropes
New Member
Canada
47 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2009 : 11:19:36 AM
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Originally posted by BiDaDiKuNuKu
hi teeps,
finally it runs and i know what me problem was...coil and magnetes cofiguration...
Peace!
Hey BiDaDik
Opposite poles attract - like poles repel
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2009 : 2:50:00 PM
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hi tropes,
u r right...but i dont know what the pole of the coil is when powered...
so i did alot of testing with lots of Coil(clockwise/anticlockwise 1/2 coils) and magnetes(n/s-n/s...n/n-s/s and 4/8 magnetes and so on.
till finally i discoverd what i was doing wrong...i`ll make a JPG 2 let u teeps see what i mean...good 4 beginners 2 know aswell.;-D
Peace!
btw...Vid of it coming a.s.a.p.
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 03:39:48 AM
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hi teeps,
ma 4th Vid has been uploaded...
hope yah like it...sorry 4 not messuring tha output V/Amps...ima still a beginner at these electronic stuff.
theres about 100 turns on tha coil...
1.0mm Run/0.6mm Trigger wire...
ma next test is with tha same rotor layout but with 400/500 turns coil with 0.6mm as RUN and 0.25(0.4mm would b better but don have that) as Trigger...
it does seems that the bigger the wire the more Voltage u need 2 make these things run...
what i want is 2 get the MAX Voltage/Amps/ out off a 12Volt setup...why?? becoz 1 car battery is something that we all can manage 2 get...
btw...4got 2 ask...if i do run/trigger wire both with 0.6mm...will it run aswell??...thnx 4 any info on this.
Update_1: on magnetes setup...i ma Vid i`ve stated that it only runs on the 8-magnetes rotor...
i`ve done some testing just 2 make sure and ques what...now it runs on both configuration(see pics 4 info on that)...pretty weird...yesterday it would not run on 4 in either setup???(maybe becoz it was mothersday??)...anyway.
and now it even runs on the 4-rotor with the magnetes in vertical position better than the the rotor with the magnetes in horizontal position(see pics 4 info on this)...
and even more strange is that when i flip tha rotors 180 degrees horizontaly it even give me mnore speed??...the N/S N/S position of the magnetes doesnt change by flipping the rotor so i don know why its running better that way...
the first 4 pics show the 2 types of rotor/magnetes settings : http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_2.html
rotor with 4 magnetes in horizontaly position(like in Vid)= 1350RPM ...flip it horizontaly = 1630RPM...
rotor with 4 magnetes in vertically position(like on tha pics)= 1700RPM...flip it horizontaly = 1980RPM...
i did not do nor chance something with tha bedini system and input is still 12V.
now ima bit confuse maself...only thing i can do is keep testing till i get the desire effect.
Update_2 : oke...i`ve just done some more test...but this time i made the coil 50 turns only instead off 100 turns(Run1.0mm/Trigger0.6mm) and with 4 & 8 magnetes on tha rotor horizontaly.
and what u know the Rotor with 8 ones turn like a champ...2060 RPM.
so from now on ima going with tha Rotor with 8 Magnetes position Horizontaly.
now if it run at higher RPM with 50 turns than with 100 turns(it does)...so ima thinking its the thickness of the wire thats need the correct tunning...so ima gonna focus on that from now on...be4 going insane...kidding
so like i said above...gonna make a 300/400 turns with thinner wires.
i will make a Vid of the Motor working with 50 turns only 4 yah teeps 2 see...2morrow
oke...thats it...iam outta here.
Peace!
click 4 tha Vid :
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu |
Edited by - okman on 18/05/2009 10:39:14 AM |
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tropes
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 12:39:44 PM
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BiDaDik
You will get a more accurate RPM reading if you attach a small piece of reflective tape to the rotor (one of the magnets) rather than the thin shaft. Or you could add a flywheel to the shaft and stick a small piece of reflective tape to it.
Tropes
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:21:53 PM
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hi tropes,
thnx 4 that...i think i`ll go with tha flywheel...becoz those magnetes r reflecting alot already.
other wise i`ll have 2 paint ma rotor black like theDaftman said above...don wanna do that tho...
think i have just the thing 4 the flywheel...
Peace! |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2009 : 12:37:35 PM
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hi teeps,
i promise a new vid...but u teeps will have 2 w8 like aaa week...
afther getting a few good pointers from conwarrior69 ima gonna re-do ma rotors...
normally it shouldnt take that long but from wednesday ima be very busy with all kinds off things so i wont be able 2 work on tha Bedini-Hobby...
take yah all & Peace.
btw...i did upload a pic so u teeps can see what ima have 2 re-do.
click here 2 see : http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_2.html |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
458 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2009 : 3:48:44 PM
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Thanks for the credit bida...
lookin forward to seing your latest...
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing! |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2009 : 10:06:30 AM
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hi Teeps,
just wanted 2 say that ima still busy with the Window type bedini...
ima just building lots off stuff atm(straight/darlington and Bipolar Bedini circuit)(lots of rotors setup)...when done i will make pics/vids of all.
and ima also w8ting on some highly needed components...
many thnx goes 2 comwarrior69 again for the shared info`s
and a Special thnx goes 2 shannrenn who is really taking his time writing me all those emails with loads of info`s...almost making me go bananas.
take care & Peace! |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 23/05/2009 10:11:49 AM |
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Ren
Starting Member
Australia
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Posted - 24/05/2009 : 10:43:33 PM
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Hey BiDaDik
Opposite poles attract - like poles repel
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True for solenoidal style coils. And magnets of course, given pole to pole positioning. But not as straight forward as this with the window motor.
"Magnets spin in the "A" Field" as JB says. There isnt really an attraction in the window motor coil because of this unorthdox arrangement. I like to think of the power coil action as a unaligning action.
Good to see you again Tropes, I remember chatting with you when I first got into this stuff @ overunity.com
Regards |
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tropes
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 25/05/2009 : 09:22:52 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ren
[quote
Hey BiDaDik
Opposite poles attract - like poles repel
True for solenoidal style coils. And magnets of course, given pole to pole positioning. But not as straight forward as this with the window motor.
"Magnets spin in the "A" Field" as JB says. There isnt really an attraction in the window motor coil because of this unorthdox arrangement. I like to think of the power coil action as a unaligning action.
Good to see you again Tropes, I remember chatting with you when I first got into this stuff @ overunity.com
Regards
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Good to see you Ren. Regardless of the configuration,"Opposite poles attract - like poles repel."
Tropes
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My first Bedini Motor ever :)
