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theremart
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Posted - 13/02/2009 : 06:50:40 AM
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Great work hendo!
I have noted the following observations with my solid state Bedini. I have noticed that after charging the battery up with the solid state, The battery seems to have a higher top voltage. Batteries that used to top off at 13V went up to 16V. ( my Small 12 amp hour batteries ) and after this point the battery gave me more amp hours if I went up to the full 16 V... but over time the top voltage was 14.5V. I also noticed that the battery received the charge faster when I used my solar cells on the battery.
I have just got in about 20 lb of 20 AWG wire, and 11 lb of 23 AWG wire. After I finish my 10 transistor Solid state Bedini which I have been rebuilding. I do hope to tackle your newman / Bedini motor as you have had so much success with it.
Your persistence is paying off!
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13/02/2009 : 09:17:29 AM
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Sorry for time delay Hendo, up to my neck in work.
Now according to Farnell PDF file and part number you gave me (part number: 186454) this is the right configuration for that relay.
Please let me know how you get on.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 14/02/2009 : 01:45:45 AM
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Thank you Daftman....I appreciate your time for this.
Question 1: input power to drive unit = input of charger and can this be battery one? (12 and 11 on relay)
Question 2: Charge from Unit (10 & 9 on relay) = ???
Above are a couple of questions I don't understand and your guidance once again would be much appreciated.
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Originally posted by teep
Sorry for time delay Hendo, up to my neck in work.
Now according to Farnell PDF file and part number you gave me (part number: 186454) this is the right configuration for that relay.
Please let me know how you get on.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2009 : 03:44:55 AM
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Question 1: input power to drive unit = input of charger and can this be battery one? (12 and 11 on relay)
Answer 1: will be the (Primary run battery input)
Question 2: Charge from Unit (10 & 9 on relay) = ???
Answer 2: will be the (Charging battery output.)
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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teep
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2009 : 9:05:15 PM
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Thank you ones again Daftman...you have been a great help.
I double checked all my wiring last night (to your latest sketch) and then proceeded to run the unit for the night and check in the morning.
I found some interesting things happening.
1 - I cannot tell which battery is charging, as both leds light up.
2 - I ended up having one battery for the input and a battery for 1 and one for 2,,,,in other words I used 3 batteries.
3 - one the batteries is charging good....from 5.47v to this morning showing 12.78v. However the other battery was depleting and when it went below 5v the relay started oscillating and I tried to adjust the trim pot so that it wouldn't to no avail. I ended up turning the system of and email you to see what I may be doing wrong.
4 - I am trying battery 1 to the run inputs meaning that I am using just 2 batteries only. This is happening right now and I noticed that charging is still taking place on both batteries. This must mean the swapper is not working the way it should.
I have hooked everything up exactly as you described, but the swapper doesn't show any indication of just charging either 1 or 2. I have small 12v leds hooked up to the terminals of battery 1 and Battery 2.
Any feedback you can give me would be much appreciated and I thank you in anticipation.
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Originally posted by teep
This link maybe of interest Hendo
http://www.wilhoit-az.com/mark/free_energy/MAllen7424.php#animated
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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Hendo1944
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theremart
Advanced Member
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Posted - 15/02/2009 : 5:26:01 PM
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Hendo,
In order to get 1 for 2, you need to condition the batteries, which can take months for old batteries. So you may have to do 13 -40 cycles.
I have not achieved this, but the word is from Bedini that the magic is in the chemical change in the battery. What is not said very often is how long this process takes.
After working for months on my golf Cart batteries set of two, I have found that the charge keeps growing less ( from looking at my computer charting of the battery ) the trouble is if ever you stop working with the batteries, they will return back to the way they were before.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=bedini+battery&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=bedini+battery&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f&start=10
This video shows the chemical change in the battery.
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2009 : 08:18:57 AM
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Please only use 2 batteries as in the diagram or you maybe introducing problems in to the circuit.
Remove all LED’s they maybe also creating problems, as I don’t know where you have connected them.
Just the same as the diagram before, but with an LED to indicate the state of the relay.
I have also changed the diagram of the relay for clarity.
When the LED is OFF battery 1 is running your device and charging battery 2.
When the LED is ON battery 2 is running your device and charging battery 1.
This is the link to the new downloadable and printable version of the diagram.
You will need Micro office 97 or above to open and print your copy.
http://www.mediafire.com/?nan43kzmhty
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 16/02/2009 : 3:46:25 PM
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Thank you Daftman....I will make the required changes and give you an update on how it is working in the next few days. I have a bit on at the moment and will be away for the next 2 days.
Thanks once again.
I also visited the link that Mart gave me about battery conditioning...which is very interesting. I am starting to wonder if my large 100ah gel batteries need conditioning, how long is this going to take. Conditioning small 7.25ah batteries takes ages as well, so maybe I need to think of something else. Any ideas you have on this would be appreciated, as you have heaps more experience with this than I have.
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Originally posted by teep
Please only use 2 batteries as in the diagram or you maybe introducing problems in to the circuit.
Remove all LED’s they maybe also creating problems, as I don’t know where you have connected them.
Just the same as the diagram before, but with an LED to indicate the state of the relay.
I have also changed the diagram of the relay for clarity.
When the LED is OFF battery 1 is running your device and charging battery 2.
When the LED is ON battery 2 is running your device and charging battery 1.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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raykos
Starting Member
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Posted - 17/02/2009 : 8:49:54 PM
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Hello Daftman,
Went to this link to download your diagram, and it said there was an error, usually caused by the file being removed?
http://www.mediafire.com/?nan43kzmhty
Was I to late in trying to download your drawing?
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2009 : 8:57:28 PM
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I have done exactly as you have described in your last schematic.
It is working at last. The led light is on when charging battery 1 and when it switches to battery 2, it turns itself off.
The problem I am now finding is when the relay switches between battery 1 and battery 2 to the voltage, which is set on vr-1, it keeps clicking the relay back and forth.
What can I do to fix this. When the voltage drops to the preset level on battery 1, I would like the relay to switch just over to battery 2, not clicking in and out all the time.
Ones more I am asking for your help here. Other than that it is working fine....Thank you!
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Originally posted by teep
Please only use 2 batteries as in the diagram or you maybe introducing problems in to the circuit.
Remove all LED’s they maybe also creating problems, as I don’t know where you have connected them.
Just the same as the diagram before, but with an LED to indicate the state of the relay.
I have also changed the diagram of the relay for clarity.
When the LED is OFF battery 1 is running your device and charging battery 2.
When the LED is ON battery 2 is running your device and charging battery 1.
This is the link to the new downloadable and printable version of the diagram.
You will need Micro office 97 or above to open and print your copy.
http://www.mediafire.com/?nan43kzmhty
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/02/2009 : 03:47:22 AM
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That’s one of the problems that I commented on in the video and in one of my posts on TEEP. I will have to look in to this one and come back to you on it.
Hendo, I have asked you before maybe you mist it.
1. Doesn’t this have to have a rotor running for it to work?
Battery conditioning is not my field, like most when I got what appeared to be a duff battery a just replaced it so I cannot comment on it, I’m only just started looking into it my self but not a lot of time for new research. But will let you know if I find anything astonishing.
raykos that diagram was replaced with the new diagram with the LED incorporated.
See this link you will be able to download it from that page.
http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~87.asp
Thanks
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 18/02/2009 : 12:09:17 PM
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I did read in one of your earlier posts that there is likely to be a problem with the switching and I asumed that you might of solved it.
Anyway, I am happy ...extremely happy with what you have done for me.
Battery conditioning has been mentioned by John Bedini as well and some of the tests he has performed with radiant energy is very interesting. I now realise that my project is not suitable for what I had intended, as I have learned so much more, thanks to you.
I enjoyed building this very much and will find a solution to my immediate problem, eventually.
You have asked me before about having a wheel and I have replied that this system is a solid state, like the bedini system in the Free Energy book. It is charging my batteries very well, but I find that conditioning will take some time. I think Mart has talked about this also. Mart has gone to a Jetjis system and I will be trying to build one also. I believe it has a great charge rate, so am keen to try it.
Please view a movie of the finished project....very happy!
http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq313/hendo1944/?action=view¤t=batteryswap.flv
I can also understand you being very busy, as I am too at the moment and having to travel a bit around this large country. Later this year I will have more time and wish to work on my Halbach project. I am very keen to build a magnet motor and will build a number of models.
Daftman... Thank you for all your troubles and patience. I hope you keep on developing, as the world needs people like you. There are many of us out there that want to make a difference and share our interest with anybody that is interested.
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Originally posted by teep
That�s one of the problems that I commented on in the video and in one of my posts on TEEP. I will have to look in to this one and come back to you on it.
Hendo, I have asked you before maybe you mist it.
1. Doesn�t this have to have a rotor running for it to work?
Battery conditioning is not my field, like most when I got what appeared to be a duff battery a just replaced it so I cannot comment on it, I�m only just started looking into it my self but not a lot of time for new research. But will let you know if I find anything astonishing.
raykos that diagram was replaced with the new diagram with the LED incorporated.
See this link you will be able to download it from that page.
http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~87.asp
Thanks
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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teep
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United Kingdom
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theremart
Advanced Member
154 Posts |
Posted - 21/02/2009 : 6:27:55 PM
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Ok at last! I have revampt the Jetijs SS charger so it is neater and I found I did not need to use spools for the wire. Since I am putting in 20V at 3 1/2 amp that sure helps with cooling to have the wire off the spools.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 21/02/2009 : 10:58:40 PM
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I like your Daftman Solid State charger and wonder if you have a schematic available. The reason is that I would like to try it and see if it outputs more than the current version I have just completed....
Your video was very interesting and I would like to know how it is going with rejuvenating your current power drill batteries.
Thanking you in anticipation....
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No trouble at all Hendo it’s been very interesting project.
Looking forward to seeing your next one.
Maybe of some interest to you Hendo, the new solid state charger.
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http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~208.asp
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman
Hendo1944
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pvar06
Starting Member
India
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 1:58:33 PM
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Hi All,
I build couple of Bedini soild state charger. The schematic of the circuit is as given in the attached link.
http://picasaweb.google.com/pvar06/SSSCHEMATIC#5353563415548456994
On testing the circuit, I found there was no change in the battery condition evenafter 36-48 hours.
Then I have noted down the input / output voltage and current. Following are the readings
Input - 12 volts and 0.25 Amps
Output - 200 volts and 0.06 Amps
My coil is build on 4" long spool with 3/4" ID. The inner of the spool has been filled with welding electrodes.
Today I have read the old posts of Energetic and teep forum. In one of the forum it was mentioned that to use 1/2 watt resistor, so I have changed all the resistor but still there is no improvement in the input and output current and battery is not getting charged.
I request other members to review the circuit and let me know the problem area.
Regards
Praveen
Praveen Varma
India
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rebato
Starting Member
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Posted - 19/09/2009 : 6:18:53 PM
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this looks like a really great project. haven't seen any updates on whether or not it works. Hendo, where you able to get any usable power with this set up? i have some friends that could use a system like this to power their stuff. they simply cannot rely on solar or wind power in the location they are at.
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/09/2009 : 7:04:54 PM
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[buys teep a spade to dig himself out]...
Indeed, i'm looking forward to seing the outcome of this project...
My idea for solid state charger combined with the battery swaper project combined with a couple of other ideas i have is really starting to buzz around my head...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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shubhamforme
Starting Member
India
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 12:22:23 PM
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this is one of the very best and simple yet very effective and cheap solid state self triggring radiant oscillator or charger...
please give me your feed feed back and views...
i had recently desulphated 3 of my 5 years old 12v 80amp lead acid car battery...now they hold a charger quite properly....
and i had simply use a 1amp 9v pus or power supply for input...
heres the link to circuit.....
download it and enjoy---
link--- http://www.ziddu.com/download/6550683/envelope.jpg.html
thanks
shubh!!!!
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shubhamforme
Starting Member
India
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 12:35:15 PM
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this is one of the very best and simple yet very effective and cheap solid state self triggring radiant oscillator or charger...
please give me your feed feed back and views...
i had recently desulphated 3 of my 5 years old 12v 80amp lead acid car battery...now they hold a charger quite properly....
and i had simply use a 1amp 9v pus or power supply for input...
heres the link to circuit.....
download it and enjoy---
link--- http://www.ziddu.com/download/6550683/envelope.jpg.html
thanks
shubh!!!!
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 2:00:12 PM
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hi shubs,
indeed, i must admit, my method was cheeting a bit...
My battery charger uses the two PWM's on my PIC microprocessor... and battery voltage is monitored via 8 analog inputs to the micro controler...
if your having problems with your SSC then post lots of pics, especially of the circuit board...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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pvar06
Starting Member
India
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 10:43:55 PM
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Hi Comwarrior and all,
I am in process of making one Bedini SS. The circuit diagram and other details are posted in this thread.
So far I have made up around 5-6 circuits and in none of the circuit I have got input / output power ratio above 2. I had a doubt on the spurious component so recently I ordered components from mouser.com but on making the circuit using those component i received the following results.
1. Input - 12 volts with 0.23 Amps i.e. 2.76 Watts
2. Output - 170-180 volts with 0.03 Amps i.e. 5.1 Watts
In my circuit i have used 3 nos 10 mfd 440 volts motor starter capacitors. The winding is done on 1/2 inch pvc pipe around 3.5-4 inch long. The iron core is being made using welding electrodes.
Earlier i had one BD243C, which has drawn around 1 amps at input side with 12 volts. But at the output side the voltage dropped to 70 volts and 0.2 amps. so again the input power is 12 watts and output power is 14 watts.
Capcitors are making good noise and I can hear the charging and discharging of the capacitor. The megnatic field generated on the coil is good, as i have checked it using neo magnet.
I dont know where i am missing in the whole concept. I request the members to let me know following
1. What should be ideal input and output power ration for Bedini SS....
2. Is there any issue in the coil winding....
3. What is the voltage and current observed by other members on input and output side of the circuit....
Regards
Praveen
Praveen Varma
India
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/09/2009 : 5:36:11 PM
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darn it... i left it a day befor replying in the hope someone would beat me too it... oh well...
PVAR06
To answer your questions...
1) Any ratio above 1 is overunity and therefor you should be a billionair (or dead) in a week
2) Depending on what you mean by issue... but from the info you have given, i can't see any
3) Last time i tried to measure the output volts and amps I killed the mA range on an expensive multimeter... and the voltage range on another...
From what you've posted their... ether you have stumbled across a way of creating more energy that a device uses... or you have a measurement error...
Also, personally, i don't appreciate that link in your signiture...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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pvar06
Starting Member
India
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Posted - 24/09/2009 : 11:13:42 PM
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the link which came with the signature.
I was wondering when every thing is all right then where is the issue. I tried with sulphated battery but there was no improvement in the charge condition.
How to check functioning of such circuits ..can you just give some idea on that....
Regards
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help with this SS Charger...Please!
