| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
|
|
teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
345 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 03:58:56 AM
|
Nice set up and thanks for the plug. That is what my first unit did, that is I use the back EMF to run a second unit, the difference with mine was in stead of running a second rotor I used the bifilar coil from the second unit on the first rotor doubling the speed.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theDaftman |
 |
|
|
Lidmotor
Junior Member
USA
51 Posts |
 Posted - 04/11/2008 : 12:09:41 PM
|
Hi,
I ran this same experiment back in June and had similar results. The video is posted here under "Bedini running another Bedini".
Daftman is who suggested it to us way back then. It is an interesting experiment but it does not create a self running device Looping the generated energy back directly into the drive source helps run the thing but you don't get more out of it than you put into it. No "free lunch" as someone put it. There is a Bedini cap pulser circuit that works pretty good at re-feeding the system but you still have to feed it some energy to keep it running. These projects are great learning tools and the Daftman is a great teacher . Listen to what he says.
Lidmotor |
|
|
|
hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 4:06:31 PM
|
Hi Rusty,
Being new to this, I didn't know that the Daftman talked about this before. I am trying to get to a very low using almost free energy device that outputs enough of a charge to charge a 100AH battery, which is hooked up to a battery swapper for my caravan. It is a dream I had for a long time. I have solar, but in Australia it gets very hot when camping, so we camp under shaded trees. This makes the solar not very effective, hence the dream.
I value what the Daftman says very much and love his detailed explanations. The battery swapper is going to be a real challenge and the Daftman has talked about one coming out one of these days. There is also the one that Monsieur Bonheur has done...but it looks very involved using the pick program. I have ordered the parts to build this one of these days and will be talking to Marthale.
Anyway, my motors are just a learning curve. I have one hybrid Newman/bedini running now for over 30 days and the run battery has not lost any power. It has charged a number of other batteries using the back EMF and I am very impressed with it. I would like to get something like a quiet solid state charger, that does the same. If it is possible with my hybrid, I can't see why not with a solid state. Maybe you or the Daftman can steer me in the right direction here?
As always, thanks to everyone for all their input, wether negative or positive!
hendo1944 
quote:
Originally posted by Lidmotor
Hi,
I ran this same experiment back in June and had similar results. The video is posted here under "Bedini running another Bedini".
Daftman is who suggested it to us way back then. It is an interesting experiment but it does not create a self running device Looping the generated energy back directly into the drive source helps run the thing but you don't get more out of it than you put into it. No "free lunch" as someone put it. There is a Bedini cap pulser circuit that works pretty good at re-feeding the system but you still have to feed it some energy to keep it running. These projects are great learning tools and the Daftman is a great teacher . Listen to what he says.
Lidmotor
|
|
|
|
Lidmotor
Junior Member
USA
51 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 9:06:33 PM
|
Hi Hendo1944,
You and I have similar dreams. Mine revolves around my sailboat. I also have solar panels and like you, sometimes you cannot rely on them. That is why I got into this about a year ago. I was glad to hear about your success with the hybrid charger. If you are using a big battery as a source, be careful about thinking that nothing has happened in a 30 day run time. Battery voltage does not tell the whole story if that is what you are going by. Keep going. You are doing great. Learn as you go.
Rusty |
|
|
|
Fischer
Starting Member
17 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 06:27:39 AM
|
Hello,
I'm new in these very interesting forums. I'm specially interested in Self Runners and been reading quite a lot about this.
A have a few questions about Bedini motor: Can anybody tell me the efficiency ratio?? Real data, taken out of a running device.
Does it generate more than it consumes?
Like comwarrior says:
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
There is quite a lot of controversy over this last issue. I've come accross people saying that they have reached de Nirvana...
I suppose most of you know about de Lutec1000 project(http://www.evergreenltd.com.hk/EEI-Home.htm). It looks as if they are already selling machines:
http://www.evergreenltd.com.hk/the-opportunity.htm
Although...I've tried to contact them to talk about pricing etc..but no answer. They claim: "the output over input efficiency is 240%"
I've been reading about their pattent..which is filled
Country Application Number/Serial Aplication Status
United States 6630806 4 Nov 1999 Granted
I see people here that have been working and testing on this a lot of hours...Can anybody give an oppinion on this.
I'd like to know specially if a so called Self Runner can end up generating more than it consumes??
Regards,
Fischer
|
|
|
|
comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
457 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 09:19:33 AM
|
Theirs another physics law that screws up any attempt to create a self runner...
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - the is the fundamental principal of what lenz's law is...
When you try to pull power out of a gen coil it creates a magnetic field opposite to the magnetic fild that first created the power in the coils...
HOWEVER in the generator section their is details on a lenzless generator that i've been studying and have adapted...
My own tests on the 'principal' shows no negative lenz drag on a rotor... as such i've plowed quite seriously into it it with build number 4 which is massive compaired to my previous build...
This morning my real of 18SWG wire came in the post for my test oversized gen coil which right now i'm half way through winding...
In the pulse motor section their is details of where i'm upto with my build complete with pictures...
I'm hoping this weekend to have my build running so that i can compair my oversized gen coil with me standard 'control' coils to be able to calculate what wire diameters i'm going to need and thus what will be produced by 4 decks of 16 oversized gen coils...
My bigest enermy at the moment is money since i'm guessing that it's going to cost me £200 per deck in raw materials...
:edit
just finished a 500g real of 18SWG wire onto my oversized gen coil... I've got just over 500 windes, which is half of what i wanted...
Oh well, I can scale it up to 1000 or 1500 windes depending on what i want to use...
And now, i got the rest of my build to do...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
Edited by - comwarrior on 11/09/2009 10:53:47 AM |
|
|
|
bigbill666
Starting Member
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2009 : 7:18:07 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by teep
Nice set up and thanks for the plug. That is what my first unit did, that is I use the back EMF to run a second unit, the difference with mine was in stead of running a second rotor I used the bifilar coil from the second unit on the first rotor doubling the speed.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theDaftman
|
|
|
|
comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
457 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 07:36:56 AM
|
indeed, you can 'stack' bedini circuits so that circuit 2 uses power from unit 1, unit 3 draws power from unit 2... etc etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
Bedini motor running a 2nd motor....
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 02:34:39 AM
