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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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 Posted - 19/10/2008 : 8:55:00 PM
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The Daftman talked about a Newman Motor that uses a Bedini circuit, well I have also build a Newman motor using the Bedini circuit and find that by placing another diode at the plus end just before the positive battery terminal it runs and charges great. (see picture)
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=kYVrEgiIeM7c%2FNKwdjNWeQ%3D%3D
This motor has been running without any loss on the source battery for over a week and has charged a number of other batteries.
I want to give this a good test. The original design was by the Daftman and I played around with it. The coil is in 2 halves and each half has 700 winds of 26 awg magnetic wire. The 2 Neo magnets are fixed on an axle which is bolted to the side wall of a 4" plastic tube and the lower & upper coils slide over this. The unit make hardly any noise and spins happily all day long 24/7.
I hope you find this interesting....
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/10/2008 : 04:09:36 AM
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Very impressive build you’ve put together. The diode you are using is the same one I use, accept I replace the in4007 on the board with the in5408. I know I was giving all this up but it seems I keep getting pulled back with every ones work I just find all you works out there interesting and inspiring. I’ve even donated some of my work and scrapped the rest accept for my 4 pot one. I am considering yet another new set up, same as the one you have just posted (Newman) but in stead of the shaft with the magnets attached I’m going to use the shaft outputs of 2 motors see pic. My time with the global problems is effecting my workload so any time I do have on my hands is mostly just taken up with monitoring the forum. If I haven’t replied to any other member’s postings it’s just a time thing I will get their ASAP.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 4:07:39 PM
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I have made some more improvements to this Hybrid, It now has 5 ultra capacitors hooked up in series and also added to the board a voltage meter. The battery is still connected and I find after 14 days of running no loss of power out of the original battery.
This is amazing in my opinion to have something running that charges a battery (on average at 2.85 volt) and is able to run on capacitors only for almost a day. After a day I noticed that the power out of the capacitors has dropped to less than 3 volts and it barely moves. Obviously the charging has almost stopped as well. Hence I have the original battery connected now and it has not lost any of its original charge. The purpose of this test is to determine if it is possible to build a small self running generator that will trickle charge a couple of large batteries. I have also build a Bedini motor that uses neo magnets and it outputs quite a kick of almost 20v. It runs at very high rpm and is noisy. I am currently working on a design of magnetic bearings. This should make things very quite as there is almost no friction between magnets repelling each other.
The only thing I found was that the efficiency of running this Bedini motor is nowhere what the hybrid Newman/Bedini is and I think this is because of a reed switch I use in the hybrid and not in the Bedini. I also found with the build of another Hybrid/Bedini that uses very large neo magnets that the motor is quite powerful as the Daftman has illustrated, but it becomes bulky and noisy to run.
Also at the moment I am trying to finish and understand the building of a pic controlled battery swapper, which another member has build (Theremart) and with his generous help we will finish it soon. We all have a agenda on why we are doing all this. My reason is that I love caravaning and am looking at ways to have power in my van that will run some basic appliances. I believe in sharing all my information to anyone willing to give it try, for it is in learning from each other that we gain wisdom in making this world a better place.
Four months ago, I knew nothing about electronics and look at what I have learned and experienced.
Hope you don't mind me sharing my joys of a new interest!
hendo1944
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Originally posted by hendo1944
The Daftman talked about a Newman Motor that uses a Bedini circuit, well I have also build a Newman motor using the Bedini circuit and find that by placing another diode at the plus end just before the positive battery terminal it runs and charges great. (see picture)
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=kYVrEgiIeM7c%2FNKwdjNWeQ%3D%3D
This motor has been running without any loss on the source battery for over a week and has charged a number of other batteries.
I want to give this a good test. The original design was by the Daftman and I played around with it. The coil is in 2 halves and each half has 700 winds of 26 awg magnetic wire. The 2 Neo magnets are fixed on an axle which is bolted to the side wall of a 4" plastic tube and the lower & upper coils slide over this. The unit make hardly any noise and spins happily all day long 24/7.
I hope you find this interesting....
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Khepe
Starting Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 1:17:25 PM
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Hey man this is pretty impressive stuff
I'm a new member haven't start my build yet
just gathering material
this the kind of thing i'm looking for
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Khepe
Starting Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 15/12/2008 : 12:24:51 PM
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Hi im most impressed with this device
is it possible for you to show us how the magnets
actually connect to the spindle
this would be most wonerful |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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Khepe
Starting Member
Jamaica
11 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2009 : 09:03:08 AM
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Thanks Hendo the pics. really helped me
and I have seen most of your projects
i'm impressed again thanks |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 24/01/2009 : 11:16:09 PM
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I am sad to report that this motor is finally showing signs of slowing down. Today the battery was almost depleted and I don't know why. Upon closer examination, I noticed that the tape drive bearing assembly was dry and we have had extremely hot weather here in Australia, just this last week, the average temperature was around 42 degrees centigrade...very hot and dry.
I have take the assembly apart and lubricated it and it is spinning freely again, so if it is possible to build one of these units with a free floating magnetic bearing assembly, I think this motor will just never stop.
Anyway guys, if someone knows on how to build a friction free magnetic floating bearing, I would be interested to make one and try it.
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 25/01/2009 : 11:16:33 AM
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Originally Posted - 10/19/2008
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"This motor has been running without any loss on the source battery for over a week and has charged a number of other batteries."
Last post - 1/24/09 quote:
"...finally showing signs of running down..."
3-1/2 months on the same battery? AND charging other batteries?
Are you aware of the prize @ (forum promotion not allowed)for a sustained output
of 1 watt running for 3 months on the same batteries, John? 
This would be close!
-Rob
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2009 : 12:26:47 PM
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3-1/2 months on the same battery? AND charging other batteries?
Are you aware of the prize @ (forum promotion not allowed)for a sustained output
of 1 watt running for 3 months on the same batteries, John?
This would be close!
-Rob
Sorry the bad word filter will not let anyone promote other forums on this forum other than Snitz Forums.
The missing word is over,unity.c,o,m but without the comers
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2009 : 11:37:45 PM
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Thanks Rob....the magnetic bearing stuff is very interesting.
As TEEP mentioned other forum promotions are not allowed, I just want to add that I am not interested in winning any prizes, as I want to develop something that I can share with everyone that is interested. I honestly believe that sooner rather than later a break through will happen with the build of a magnetic motor that runs a dynamo to produce free energy. Besides these motors, I have been playing with magnets for a long time and am fascinated with the energy these super magnets produce and I am sure they can be channeled into helping mankind. Just think if this was possible how it could help the poor around the world.
Check this out on what I am talking about:
Just keep watching, reading and learning and you may just come up with the correct answer...I am trying too!
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Originally posted by JustAnElectrician
Thanks Daftman!
John, here's a link to the only good lead I found about magnetic bearings:
http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/880/mia/d/magnetic+bearings+bearingless+drives+akira+chiba+tadashi+fukao+osamu/pid/7617268
It's for a book costing 57.20 british pounds, rather pricey, but possibly worth it. I saw no real info on google, but here's what I searched:
(with best results)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&q=DIY+magnetic+bearings&start=30&sa=N
There seems to be a connection to the vinyl record player folks, some of those use magnetic bearings for the tone arms and turntable.
I have some paper drawings of my own iterations for horizontal and vertical magnetic bearings, needs scanned if I can find them.
Here's an interesting page,
http://www.matchrockets.com/ether/halbach.html#links
it has a dead link, but perhaps you can imagine how an Halbach Array could be used as a magnetic bearing... mighty useful because the
Halbach Array only has a strong field where you need it and nearly
no field strength outside of the specified area!
Also see Halbach Array on youtube. This also looks promising:
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=Halbach+Array+magnetic+bearing&btnG=Google+Search
...just an Electrician! Since 1985...
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2009 : 04:55:49 AM
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I am happy to report that I have found the problem....I short circuited the wires in one of my experiments and damaged the reed switch. I have since replaced this a few days ago and it is working fine again. I also oiled the bearing and it is spinning heaps better since. I also moved the reed switch so that it is activating both coils effectively and power output has improved also....will see how long it will last this time....trouble is, I get a crazy ideas and want to try it out and upset the system.
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Originally posted by hendo1944
I am sad to report that this motor is finally showing signs of slowing down. Today the battery was almost depleted and I don't know why. Upon closer examination, I noticed that the tape drive bearing assembly was dry and we have had extremely hot weather here in Australia, just this last week, the average temperature was around 42 degrees centigrade...very hot and dry.
I have take the assembly apart and lubricated it and it is spinning freely again, so if it is possible to build one of these units with a free floating magnetic bearing assembly, I think this motor will just never stop.
Anyway guys, if someone knows on how to build a friction free magnetic floating bearing, I would be interested to make one and try it.
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 9:29:02 PM
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GOOD! Running again. Something I used a heck-of-a-lot of in my hot-rodding days and
anytime I put together car parts that have bearings and what-not, is a synthetic spray
lube that has PTFE (teflon) in it, and it gets deposited on the wear surfaces. I have
had exactly ZERO parts failures and no returns thanks to this product. One brand in the US
is Super Lube and Liquid Wrench has one with PTFE in it, it is also sometimes called
"DRY FILM LUBRICANT" because most of these carriers evaporate and leave a mildly
powdery light gray colored film (PTFE) behind. Then coat with your favorite bearing wet lube.
BTW, sorry I mentioned it, the OU Prize is for non-patented devices only, and some of your
elements might defy that description, but technically, combining patents makes a new invention...
...just an Electrician! Since 1985... |
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joyceck
Starting Member
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Posted - 26/02/2009 : 04:14:45 AM
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Hendo, i noticed you didn't show much in you video about you two coil construction. How did you make the coils?
air core? Iron core? size shape windings? |
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theremart
Advanced Member
154 Posts |
Posted - 26/02/2009 : 6:49:28 PM
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Ok at LAST, I have finished my next goal of getting a small and large Joule thief charger working, next on my agenda is this energizer. I have most all of the items I need to build this, I guess the next step is for me to take apart my VCR bearing and determine the best way of mounting the magnets... I think I will attempt to make the wires as thick and short as possible might try heavy duty speaker cable on this run. But Hendo you have a standard Bedini with the newman motor... your coils are the same as daftman?
I am wondering how close the magnets should be to the coil for it to work the best. what if I put the coil on the inside of the pipe? I know that the PVC does somewhat interfere with the coils flux fields..... Open for suggestions as your works awesome,
Mart
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theremart
Advanced Member
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Posted - 26/02/2009 : 6:57:06 PM
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P.S. I found there are fans here in the US that have magnetic bearings for $10.00, going to get a few of these and give them a wirl...... maybee two of these fans together with the fan setup bedini style hmmmmmm..... with the newman magnets ....
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2009 : 8:32:05 PM
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OK Mart, Spill IT!!!
What is the part number of these fans??? And Brand, of course!
laterzzzzz....
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theremart
Advanced Member
154 Posts |
Posted - 28/02/2009 : 5:01:51 PM
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Ok... I have finished making up the Newman motor today, but not sure how to hook it up to the bedini..... How are you triggering this? Are you using 3 coils? Just need to know how you have this hooked up to your bedini. Thanks!
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theremart
Advanced Member
154 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 06:28:52 AM
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Ok, I have found Daftman's circuit here for the Neuman energizer. I have 2 magnets on the rotor North South but it just turns have way then turns back half way when I hook up the circuit.... Do I need both magnets to be North North, or South South?
Thanks!
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theremart
Advanced Member
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 10:48:36 AM
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ok Super! I now have North South working!! I had to use an neo with my reed switch to get it to fire right, but it purrs now.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 5:39:40 PM
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Hi Mart,
Looks like you worked it all out....sorry for not responding earlier, but I have been on the other side of the country working for a week at a caravan show and am of again next week. I have my neo magnets facing North/South (2).
Having the magnetic copper wire on the inside would restrict the turning as I have 450 turns on the top and bottom coils. The reed switch is exactly in the middle between the two coils. My motor has been running for quite a long time and has charged numerous small batteries.
You working with two magnetic bearings sounds awesome. I would glue a small piece of wood between them and mount the two neo magnets on top of the wood and hope that the flux from the magnetic bearings don't effect with the flux of the 2 strong neo's....but trying sounds good.
Lets us know how it went....
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Originally posted by theremart
ok Super! I now have North South working!! I had to use an neo with my reed switch to get it to fire right, but it purrs now.
See my playground here --> www.youtube.com/marthale7
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 5:51:59 PM
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sorry for the late reply....I use a 4" plastic sleeve that fits tightly over a PVC plastic pipe. I cut 4 rings out of plywood and glue these to the top and bottom of the sleeve. I then wound 450 turns of 23 awg magnetic wire on the 2 coils. I used a VCR bearing and mounted this on the inside of the PVC pipe, exactly in the middle. I then screwed a small piece of wood to the aluminium bearing and glued 2 neo magnets, one facing north and another facing south to the piece of wood. I used the Daftmans excellent diagram with a Bedini circuit showing a reed switch.
Hope this answers your question!
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Originally posted by joyceck
Hendo, i noticed you didn't show much in you video about you two coil construction. How did you make the coils?
air core? Iron core? size shape windings?
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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theremart
Advanced Member
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 7:02:06 PM
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Now drawing .5 amp placement of the reed switch is a bear! I am also using a VCR bearing which has given me all sorts of problems, but at last it is spinning right along! I was impressed with daftmans modifications on the bedini. I also did a mod, I removed the 4001 diode still spins should give me more spikes, it may give me less energy, but should get me a faster charge rate.
As for the fans, I think I will modify one just like the imhotep style. these are permanent magnets in these fans so no extra energy lost to run additional coils :)
I have noticed the motor seems to climb up and down in speed very peculiar, but I am just soo happy to get this far.
I may try playing around with the coils tommorow I may not have them hooked up correctly will see if I get more out of them if I swap wires.
Thanks for your input. I learned how to tapp holes the hard way broke 2 $5.00 taps learning, but now I know how to do it.
Oh btw, I have just completed my 7th cycle with the Jetijs style charger went from 63 amp hours to 77.55 amp hours with load test. I am very pleased with the results.
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theremart
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/03/2009 : 5:21:17 PM
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Ok did some more cleaning up on circuit. It is now running on .05 to .1 amps :) I found it was rubbing against inside, when I got rid of this friction zooom. :)
Replaced my 2n3055 transistor with a MJL21194 promply fried that one when reed switch sorted to one of the coils. :( replaced, and taped up ends of reed switch and is purring better than before. The way this is pulling so little voltage it should just run and run and run and run. I am getting 30V spikes looking at my scope, so very very sweet!...
THANK YOU DAFTMAN / HENDO for your help! video to come
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2009 : 11:15:29 AM
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John HendO!!!
Link to a magnetic bearing levitation motor, it appears to be...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwBywqgBNVc&NR=1
Contact that fellow for more info, looks like it could be of use to you!
-Rob
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Hybrid Bedini/Newman motor
