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teep
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 Posted - 12/06/2008 : 3:03:02 PM
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I came across a pendulum pulse unit on youtube but I cannot find it now (if anyone knows URL please post it for me thanks). It gave me an idea, it would be interesting to build one of them but put a collection coil at each end of the pendulum and see if one could charge a battery.
Sorry for this one I’m a bit ill today and I’m laid up in bed playing on the laptop and came up with this concept.
Probably would work if the output of the rectifiers charged the run battery instead.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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sceptic33
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 8:07:07 PM
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what's your take on charging up batteries while they are powering a load? I think i read somewhere in connection with self charging motors that it doesn't work so well, can't quite remember the details...
I'm not sure that the top of the pendulum swing is the best place for generator coils if the power produced by the coil is a function of the speed at which the magnetic field changes. at the top of the arc the pendulums speed will be approaching zero, so wouldn't it induce less power?
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sceptic33
Junior Member
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 05:52:43 AM
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| i was thinking about using a pulse setup like this on a pendulum , but using it as part of a 2 stage oscillator (as described in another topic on this forum), and having generator coils powered by magnets mounted on the output lever of the system... |
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 07:00:25 AM
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Charging up batteries while they are powering a load.
If the charge supply is sufficient to do the job it will work providing you’re not trying to pull power to charge the same battery that is running the circuit.
In other words your charge supply must not be connected in anyway to the run supply other than diode coupled or mechanically as the diagram shows I.e. using the same magnet for run and charging.
No charging the same battery you are using to drive with, that’s not possible but I’m positive someone is going to challenge me on that.
Top of the pendulum swing is not best place for generator coils. You’re correct they would be better placed either side the run coil. But in saying that I predict the pendulum will be past the coils when on full swing.
So it will give a charge rate of 2 to1. Or if you like on a full swing 4 to 2 in favor of the charge.
Has the pendulum will pass the charge coils 4 times but only passing the run coil twice for each swing if that makes any sense.
Sorry I’m on strong medication at the moment I’ve got a chest injury and finding it difficult to keep up to speed and focus, I keep drifting off to sleep.
Come on guys I’m looking for the sympathy vote. LOL
Thanks for you’re posting sceptic33 I find then very interesting. I think you would make a very fine moderator on this forum, would you be interested?
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator. |
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sceptic33
Junior Member
Spain
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Posted - 14/06/2008 : 2:46:13 PM
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i've never moderated a forum before, but could give it a go... i check in fairly often anyway, so it shouldn't be too tricky. let me know what it would involve.
i see what u mean about the 2x charging, but worry about the effect of the 2x drag from the pickups too... have you seen the design for the "dragless" generator pickup coils I posted around here somewhere? (I think i put it in the magnetic motors section, not quite sure why...) what do you make of it? the principle seems ok to me... the reactive magnetic field created by the coils is conducted away by the toroidal core and flux path, instead of entering the air gap between the coil and rotor magnets where it would usually cause drag. there would of course be drag caused by attraction to the toroid core material, and drag caused by eddy current hysteresis in the core, but apparently the drag is not increased if the coils are loaded... i haven't tested it yet, need to get a suitable core first, and a magnetically conductive rotor and axle... |
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theremart
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sceptic33
Junior Member
Spain
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Posted - 18/06/2008 : 6:33:07 PM
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| so you found that one too... i'm planning on having a go with it as well. one thing i find worrying though is the way he refers to the centrifugal force being strongest in the downward direction when the pendulum is at the bottom of the arc... if i remember my fizzics properly there is no such thing as a radial centrifugal force... it is an illusion caused by the momentum of an object held in orbit along a circumferance by an inward centripetal force. at the bottom of the arc the pendulums momentum is carrying it horizontaly, not downwards vertically... it's mentioned on his web page (which i hadn't seen, cheers for the link...) as well as the video, but i guess it wouldn't be the first time someone made something clever without getting every detail right in the analysis... |
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theremart
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sceptic33
Junior Member
Spain
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Posted - 19/06/2008 : 08:12:13 AM
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i wouldn't mind trying it with a water pump too. A friend of my mum with a place in the hills uses a diesel powered pump to get water from the well up to the stables. she has said i can use her welding equipment to put together my diy solar electric rig, and i'm thinking that while i'm there i should try and build one of these 2 stage ocsillators to pump water for her...
to use one as an electric generator it looks like the best way might be to use the force of the lever to drive a wheel in order that the generator magnets can move at a higher speed... I was thinking that as a ratchet system will only gather power from the lever moving in one direction, it might be nice to harvest energy from the return stroke through another ratchet that drives another wheel in the opposite direction... If the generator coils could be mounted on one wheel, and the magnets on the other, this should increase the ouptut nicely... |
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/06/2008 : 08:24:47 AM
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Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator. |
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theremart
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Posted - 19/06/2008 : 6:30:33 PM
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I like the design Daft, I think there would be problems with movement because it moves more in a curve fashion not up and down. My idea would be to use hydrolics to turn a low speed generator.
Getting the primary coil just right would be hard too.
I have looked at other designs they use a bicycle wheel....
But I like the way you think!
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/06/2008 : 03:58:09 AM
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The curve fashion by theremart: This is why it pivots at 3 points this will eliminate the curve completely. I put that in so everyone can see how to convert the rocking motion in to a straight up and down motion. This generator is based on the shaking torch concept. Interesting hydraulic pump idea would be best suited to this idea but you will have some forcers to sort out.
Sorry for not explaining more in my last posting but it was time and that.
Thanks for the video that was the one I was looking for.
Keep it coming theremart it looks to be very interesting and if you need any help let me know I will do my best.
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sceptic33
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Eddiev1985
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USA
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Posted - 22/06/2008 : 01:04:13 AM
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What kind of chest injury?
Are you ok?
Take care of yourself Daftman, we dont want to loose our mentor, our teacher, our friend!
You are the main reason we are here, your personality, good will, and craftsmanship have inspired us all to
keep moving forward.
Get Well Soon!
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theremart
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theremart
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Posted - 18/10/2008 : 8:07:27 PM
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Originally posted by teep
The curve fashion by theremart: This is why it pivots at 3 points this will eliminate the curve completely. I put that in so everyone can see how to convert the rocking motion in to a straight up and down motion. This generator is based on the shaking torch concept. Interesting hydraulic pump idea would be best suited to this idea but you will have some forcers to sort out.
Sorry for not explaining more in my last posting but it was time and that.
Thanks for the video that was the one I was looking for.
Keep it coming theremart it looks to be very interesting and if you need any help let me know I will do my best.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
I am thinking what is the biggest pendulum one could push electronically.... hmmm what if we take the guys video that uses the bicycle wheel for the pendulum, we put two iron bars sticking out the top then we rig coils that would turn on and pull the iron bar to the coil then release on either side this would remove the requirement for the pivot points and keep the design simplier.... Not sure the small range of the attraction of the magnets would work, maybe placed at the hub of the wheel...
My idea with hydrolic was to use the weight to max advantage, storing the energy as pressure for everytime you push say 5 lbs you would get 15 lbs force both up and down. so take that 15lbs and use it to compress either air, then use the air that is compressed to run a turbine. hmmm there are some windmills that use compressed air instead of a generator ... or there are some motors that generate power at VERY low speeds but require high torque...
I can now see your idea with the torch lites from the pendulum that was built...
Just tossing out ideas.... I guess the first test is how strong a magnetic field one can make.... I have been searching for the 200 lb electro magnetics I saw on ebay. they ran on 12V Combining that with Wood 4X4s or even a tree cut down one could do this very cheaply in a woods some where using trees as the base. I do wish now I was back at my farm :) A chainsaw and a few days.... ahh the fun I could have.
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cody
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Posted - 23/10/2008 : 07:43:33 AM
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| Daftman, i was wondering if you could supply a diagram of the circuit in the video you posted above on the self running pendulum motor. Is this just a bedini ssg circuit, if so how is it wired to charge and and how many turns in your coils? Does this truly run itself forever? Any additional info on this device would be appreciated. |
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tchr
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Posted - 23/10/2008 : 3:31:52 PM
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Originally posted by cody
Daftman, i was wondering if you could supply a diagram of the circuit in the video you posted above on the self running pendulum motor. Is this just a bedini ssg circuit, if so how is it wired to charge and and how many turns in your coils? Does this truly run itself forever? Any additional info on this device would be appreciated.
I agree with you Cody. Daftman you have gotten my attention along with about 136 of my Jr High students that want to make your pendulum motor. I would like to try my hand at giving the kids a project that will mold their lives and help direct their future career paths.
Thanks in advance for sharing your forum with us [and knowledge].
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teep
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/10/2008 : 5:29:52 PM
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That was one of my old projects and I do have to say although I had some success with it I couldn’t get it to self run. It‘s been modified from my original design. And I have been informed that the school is seeking to apply for some kind of patent and needed me to give them conformation of its origins and to confirm that I have signed it over to the school in question. So sorry I cannot give anymore details about this one, (YET!) and I understand that imspiningonit who posted it on youtube has been removed from is course for posting it without authorization as the project was a group effort and not the work of one.
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theremart
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JustAnElectrician
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Posted - 13/11/2009 : 9:44:36 PM
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Top, I have been subconsciously thinking of this lately, having a Tesla Moment I guess LOL
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JustAnElectrician
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Posted - 13/11/2009 : 9:48:13 PM
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Probably because Bedini built one and said it burnt up because it produced almost
all radiant energy and near zero conventional current, and that intrigues me highly.
Tried to edit above post, site is slow today???
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/11/2009 : 11:54:57 PM
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Originally posted by teep
No charging the same battery you are using to drive with, that’s not possible but I’m positive someone is going to challenge me on that.
Teep I challenge that... You knew i would really!
Using gen coils you can feed them back to the drive battery via a rectifier...
(BTW, you got the FWB rectifiers drawn in wrong... but your forgiven coz your ill)
Assuming your generating less power than your using...
* if the power from the gen coils occures when the drive coil IS NOT powered you will push power into the battery...
However...
* if the power from the gen coils occures when the drive coil IS being powered then you will just reduce the ammount of current coming from the battery
The only diference is efficiency... you loose power by trying to 'hot charge' the battery...
On the subject of moderators... "please sir, may i have some more?"
I'll mod any and all forums if you want... but if i could make a humble request... can i mod pulse motors and the help forum?
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"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
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teep
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 10:56:05 AM
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Hi comwarrior, you must of been looking at the old first draft of the pendulum the FWB rectifiers are correct on this forum posting Haaaaaaaaaa.
That design was replaced with a new one, I gave that one away to one of my now departed buddies, he built it up at college and was claming it to be self running. He even posted it on youtube but that video was removed very fast as you can see from above postings.
YES! To the moderator position but will need to have a chat about do’s and don’ts within forums.
Maybe ring each other if you ok with that.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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okman
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 11:54:12 AM
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This is a con this was one of my friends don’t build it you are wasting your time.
It runs on the capacitors or right but not if you remove the batteries hidden in side them.
But he did have me for about 10 seconds
If you remember I did comment on one of my videos about batteries hidden in large capacitors well this was the one I was referring to.
I was the one that had it removed from youtube and watched as he dismantled it.
So shall i have it removed again or not?
Thanks for uploading it OKMAN, NOT!!
I will deal with you on Monday at work looks like I’ve sorted the skip sort out job don’t it, that will keep you out may way for a day or so. HaaHaaaa
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