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ardyle
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 10/10/2009 : 6:01:26 PM
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welcome 2 the TEEP forum m8...:)
cant help yah out with diagrams(circuits)...just not my thing...;-)...ima having trouble reading simple words as it is...:P
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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ardyle
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 Posted - 10/10/2009 : 8:41:44 PM
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ardyle
Starting Member
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 03:41:17 AM
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Here's that link I promised about how the stator coil windings are different. They're tangentially alligned in relation to the rotor magnet:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromexp.htm |
Edited by - ardyle on 27/10/2009 03:42:00 AM |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 03:52:38 AM
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hello ardyle, that link you sent is very interesting. that is the same exact thing as the magniwork generator!!
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 5:45:18 PM
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Interesting concept I have copied the entire site with photos of the layout I will post this for everyones referencing as soon as I know how to post photos? (just in case the site gets dropped).
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ardyle
Starting Member
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Posted - 28/10/2009 : 12:22:18 AM
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Originally posted by cass
hello ardyle, that link you sent is very interesting. that is the same exact thing as the magniworks generator!!
carmin
I don't think that it is exactly like the Magniworks generator/motor, where the coil windings are tangent but also one could say alternationg from stator winding to stator winding.
Whereas with the WITTS generator, the point that I am trying to make about the coil arrangement is the coil alignment is tangent to the rotor magnets.
If you will you look at the waveform for this type of coil at their site, you will see that it is different from conventional coil arrangements. If you look at the WITTS generator, it too has a tangent coil arrangement. I think this is an important difference.
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Edited by - ardyle on 01/11/2009 02:42:31 AM |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2009 : 08:46:54 AM
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Yes this is very important I use a variance of this type of coil for my generation uses as well just a little different.
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cass
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2009 : 3:28:08 PM
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hey everyone, i have to say this is a very interesting device here, and it appears to be a relatively small device which gives off a really good output for its size..however the magniwork plans that i bought are so confusing and i cant really understand them. by looking at the diagrams and pictures in the magniwork plans this generator is the exact same...if you or anyone completes this setup i would really like to know how it turns out
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ardyle
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Posted - 29/10/2009 : 12:25:19 AM
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Originally posted by cass
hey everyone, i have to say this is a very interesting device here, and it appears to be a relatively small device which gives off a really good output for its size..however the magniwork plans that i bought are so confusing and i cant really understand them. by looking at the diagrams and pictures in the magniworks plans this generator is the exact same...if you or anyone completes this setup i would really like to know how it turns out
carmin
I don't believe that Magniworks motor/generator has the exact same windings configuration as the WITTS generator. For those that don't know, Magniworks is a set of plans to a proposed overunity device.
Now, let's get back to the discussion. True, the Magniworks generator does utilize tangent windings, but not in the way that I think that the WITTS generator uses a single tangent winding. I don't believe they are not exactly the same.
The following image is a drawing of the Magniworks motor/generator winding configuration:
However, I do believe that the WITTS generater does use a single tanget coil winding based intensive scrutiny of the video of the WITTS generator.
This is what I think the WITTS generator stator winding and rotor magnet configuration look like:
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Edited by - ardyle on 01/11/2009 02:47:31 AM |
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ardyle
Starting Member
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Posted - 29/10/2009 : 01:49:15 AM
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For this thing to be built, it needs to be very simple to build, and actually I think the device is very simple.
What do I need? I need a circuit schematic with a list of off-the-shelf electronic circuits and components.
What do we have: We have the switching circuit theory and switching circuit block diagram from Thomas E. Bearden and the proof of concept from Timothy Thrapp, that is, if his device actually works and is not a fraud. However, I don't think it is a fraud, but then how can I know unless I build the device and have it working and generating excess power?
It appears to me that since WITTS is a ministry, it has a duty to help mankind. Here's the real problem. If WITTS wasn't so apparently stingy and miserly with their technology, maybe they could actually fulfill their mission statement, that is, to help mankind. Whereas now, they're no better than any other greedy corporate entity out for itself. It seems to me all they care about is money and about not helping out mankind. If they would just release a working circuit schematic of the device to the public, then I would be willing to retract the preceeding opinion.
Let me make this clear. Although I am a little critical of this organization, I still deeply admire them and the work the are claiming to be doing.
WITTS is a acronym for World Improvement Through The Spirit.
The complete name of the organization is World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries.
WITTS Ministries' website: http://www.witts.ws/
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ardyle
Starting Member
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 Posted - 29/10/2009 : 02:22:55 AM
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If what I have said here interests you, you might want to save this page. You can never tell when this type of information will be removed or deleted.
Why might that be?
All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer 1788-1860
When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot. -Rabbi Shlomo Riskin
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein
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cass
Senior Member
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Posted - 29/10/2009 : 02:49:44 AM
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yes i see what you are saying now, sorry about before i misunderstood, but yes you are 100% correct...you never do know if all of this stuff here will one day be removed or deleted if in fact it is true and proven to work
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ardyle
Starting Member
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Posted - 29/10/2009 : 11:53:40 AM
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proposed cross-sectional view of WITTS generator rotor magnet and stator winding:
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 29/10/2009 : 9:22:49 PM
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Yes that is an accurate demonstration of the coil to rotor configuration. However I watched the video in great detail and looked up the people he named off and all he did was blend several ideas together to make the video. Also I feel it is a big hoax because of how he runs the video we can not see the power to the light bulbs at all and he turns them off before he shuts down the motor / charger ??conduit??...LOL Conduit that was a real laugh. I'm sorry but that video was really full of holes and to pursue any information based on that videos data would be a waste of time. I am usually open to all kinds of things but that was just so porly covered up that anyone can tell that it was a hoax, to prove this I played this for a few friends today they all said the same thing "that was a joke right". I was laughing so I replied yes to them.
I think we doing what we are doing here in this forum will prove it is possiable and make this aware for all people every where.
Keep up the good work
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ardyle
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Posted - 30/10/2009 : 12:38:35 AM
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The beginning topic sentence of this topic is as follows: (This was the first thing posted here.)
I am trying to build Tom Bearden's free energy device which utilizes a charge collection.
Okay.
I need a circuit schematic to generate a staircase waveform utilizing a DAC circuit.
That's the bottomline.
But instead, I get this:
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Originally posted by vesperhbt
Yes that is an accurate demonstration of the coil to rotor configuration. However I watched the video in great detail and looked up the people he named off and all he did was blend several ideas together to make the video. Also I feel it is a big hoax because of how he runs the video we can not see the power to the light bulbs at all and he turns them off before he shuts down the motor / charger ??conduit??...LOL Conduit that was a real laugh. I'm sorry but that video was really full of holes and to pursue any information based on that videos data would be a waste of time. I am usually open to all kinds of things but that was just so porly covered up that anyone can tell that it was a hoax, to prove this I played this for a few friends today they all said the same thing "that was a joke right". I was laughing so I replied yes to them.
I think we doing what we are doing here in this forum will prove it is possiable and make this aware for all people every where.
Keep up the good work
vesperhbt
It is human nature to jump to a conclusion without carefully reviewing the evidence. You are certainly human, and nobody would fault you for jumping to your own conclusions based on your feelings and opinions.
There is no certainly evidence to support your belief that all he did was blend several ideas together to make the video. However, you are certainly entitled to believe to your own opinions.
And, you are certainly entitled to feel however you want about it.
It is your stated opinion is that video was full of holes. It is also your stated opinion that to pursue any information based on that videos data would be a waste of time.
Fine, by all means, please don't waste any more of your time here.
It is your stated opinion that it is a hoax. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, I don't believe it is a hoax because the evidence isn't there to support that idea.
What this effort is is a good faith effort to attempt to understand if this device works, then how does it work. That is all. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't matter, nothing lost. In fact, why are you even here? Why do you even care? Hmmm?
But what if it does work? Then what will you say? The answer is nothing. In my opinion, that is because you have invested no thought or reason or understanding towards this matter.
So don't waste my time with your negative thinking. I don't care if you feel it is a hoax. That is not the issue. If you can't contribute positively to this topic, why bother wasting your time here?
Why don't you go to a forum where all you talk about is how something can't work? But, please, not here in this topic because to do so is to waste my time, and you have already done that.
Thank you so much. Thank you for contributing to this topic. You are a real credit to those like you. You have no idea how much I really appreciate it. Keep up the good work. LMAO |
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ardyle
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Posted - 30/10/2009 : 03:20:37 AM
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With respect to the WITTS generator, I believe there large air gap separating the external surface winding component and the internior surface winding component.
It's all the same winding, but it has two components which are the exterior and the interior.
I believe only the interior surface winding component is cut by the rotor magnets' magnetic field while the exterior surface winding component is too far away to receive any magnet flux from the rotor magnets.
Therefore, EMF is induced only in the internal surface winding component. The external winding surface receives no induction and doesn't produce a voltage.
Therefore, current should only flow in one direction, causing a DC voltage potential across the output of the coil winding.
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 30/10/2009 : 07:54:09 AM
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Dear, Sir
I was addressing the video nothing more I'm not here for a contest of ways to bash each other and it seams you are. I in fact believe that there are ways several to be exact to make this type of system.
In fact being a jerk to others that challenge the facts that there was no proof given in the said video that it worked.
I was not saying that the concept was not valued nor that there was not a working model.
I can help out in many ways, but I was addressing the video nothing more..... To be rude to another just because you can is a real bother. It is important to find the facts and the drawings and circuit design are the facts not what was shown in that video. If you want help it is an easy solution for the circuit you need not to hard to build or design.
But it seams you are to busy bashing someone to stop and think about what you are saying and to whom. If you knew me you would know that I have spent the last 15 years working on this type of solutions to the worlds power needs.
Yes I do care sir very much.
The generator works great need a circuit cool good enough but don't bash anyone here sir...... This is not the place.
I post help on this forum all the time and email and such just to help out others so succeed in this struggle to build the best power source for the world. With this said I do this for the right reasons to help.
Have respect for each other, I respect the idea and the validated information and to the dedicated researchers that put forth this information that the bearded gentleman said he received his information from in the said video, he himself said he bulked the ideas together. So I was not saying anything wrong or with any malice intended.
If I offended you I'm sorry about that.
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Lorke
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 30/10/2009 : 09:37:13 AM
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Ok. I really feel new now. I understand the field creating EMF in a coil. However as this is one coil, and with the air gap it is only half exposed to the field... It almost looks like your making a rotary pump for electrons. Is this essentially correct?
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comwarrior
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Posted - 30/10/2009 : 9:34:45 PM
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ardyle, knock it off... less of the attitude...
I havn't seen the vids as it's coming up for 1am and i'm shatterd!
But here are my thaughts...
I'm aware that Bearden has said about using capacitors to prevent a 'diapole' from 'seeing' a load and I have the practical knowledge to say that is crap! The capacitor becomes a load when you discharge it...
The magni generator is actually an interesting one because it has the potential of being allmost lenzless if done right...
However, i'm scratching my head with the witts generator, i can't see it doing much...
Just my initial 2 pence untill i got time
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ardyle
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 05:07:06 AM
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Well, I wouldn't have expected you to think there is something to the Magniworks motor/generator.
I really don't have much interest in it currently. I suppose it could work in theory.
Getting back to the charge collector idea, Bearden says there is a difference between massless displacement current and electron mass flow current. Conventional electrodynamic theory doesn't accept that idea. I've never been one for convention.
For those of you who are interested in learning about electronics, there are several resources online.
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ardyle
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 05:12:02 AM
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Originally posted by Lorke
Ok. I really feel new now. I understand the field creating EMF in a coil. However as this is one coil, and with the air gap it is only half exposed to the field... It almost looks like your making a rotary pump for electrons. Is this essentially correct?
****Its like building a puzzle but you have never seen the picture, and you only get 3 pieces a week.****
Rotary electron pump. That's a good name for it. Essentially, you're correct. |
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vesperhbt
Advanced Member
USA
445 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2009 : 1:53:19 PM
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Looking at the design a little more and referencing some other data, would it not make this design have more power output to have both _N_ and _S_ facing out on the rotor to induce a greater peek and valley in the field thus more power to the load or charger? Just a thought?
Also if this is an electron pump,,, I see that you can even make this 2 times more powerful concurrent with this photo design by orienting the magnetic field into a quad field not just a single field. This is hard to explain how this works but I have this working in a system that I am currently rebuilding to streamline the design.
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Lorke
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 10:10:42 PM
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North and south facing Magnets in this case would cancel the 'pumping' effect. you'd get AC inside the motor but the circuit is not made to use this.
What I visualized was somthing like this:
coil is like a hose (mounted inside a cylinder) and the Fields are like rollers being turned inside the cylinder to push the water through the hose.
again just putting this out to be corrected if I am way off the target. Thanks
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ardyle
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 10:18:14 PM
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Right again, Lorke.
I envision building this device, but it has to be very simple; otherwise, it won't be built in all likelyhood.
The stator assembly could be built using two large PVC pipes with spacers in the gaps. Of course, one PVC pipe would be much larger than the other. The outer PVC pipe would be large enough to provide a significant air gap. With the outter PVC pipe possibly epoxied to a frame. One continuous winding inside and out. The uni-pole magnet rotor in the middle of it, that is within the inner PVC pipe.
Wouldn't it be cool to float the rotor on magnetic bearings, like in this youtube video?
The plans are available online:
http://stelmos-fire.com/mendocinomotor.html
Of course, what the dream here is, in this topic, is being able to generate your own electricity with an overunity device.
It would certainly be wonderful to do that especially with a working overunity device; however, just because you don't have a working overunity device, of course, it doesn't mean you can't still generate your own electricity.
That is, if you are so inclined, to generate your own electricity, that is, to do it yourself.
When you do it yourself, you cut your costs to a fraction of what it would normally cost. However, what you need is a step-by-step guide, so you can quickly and easily start producing your own home-made energy.
You need a Do It Yourself Guide that you can easily follow step-by-step.
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vesperhbt
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USA
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Posted - 31/10/2009 : 11:39:52 PM
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Well into the design proses for my newest motor that uses 38 complete drive trigger and slave coils is on magnetic bearings, to increase speed and to cut the friction balance and centering are the biggest things to overcome. It is a real step forward to say the least. I use a different winding array but along the same lines as what you are describing,,, save the rotor being flat has been replaced and modified into a sphere with the windings on the inside and the mags on the outside with independent coils for excess power development from the magnetic discharge for the coils interaction. I use a principle I am calling "field generation collapse" (FGC) Kind of hard to explain but in my video soon to come it will explain it all. I am designing and testing in AutoCad and in a testing program that simulates real life conditions at the moment. So as soon as I finish testing I will use our 6 axis CNC machine and cut the necessary parts to size and construct the motor. Till then back to testing.
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Tom Bearden's Charge Collector Free Energy Device
