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cass
Senior Member
USA
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 Posted - 16/09/2009 : 7:27:26 PM
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hey everyone i have found an interesting patent by Bedini which i am trying to build. i have built the ssg energizer using Daftman's layout and specs, which was extremely helpful. that motor worked very well and opened up some new ideas for me.
however i am very interested in this diagram that i have found. i know it uses 3 wires so it is trifilar. two of the wires are 23 gauge and one wire is 26 gauge. the two 23 gauge wire are the ones closest to the core of the coil and the 26 gauge is the outer wire. my question is how do you tell the start of the winding and the end of the winding on the diagram? i was also wondering how do you tell the trigger coil and the run coil and the generator(slave) coil. my best guess is that one of the 23 gauge coils is the run coil, and the 26 gauge coil is the trigger coil. i just cant figure out the start and ends of them....
also i would like to hook up three coils to this motor, does anyone know where i would and how i would hook them up?
thank you for your time and effort and helping me.
carmin
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teep
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2009 : 12:33:11 PM
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thank you for that link to the topic. i read and looked over it and the information there answered a few of my questions. however i still don't know how to hook up 3 different coils into that system. any help and advice will be greatly appreciated.
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2009 : 6:29:03 PM
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Please look in the thread for one of my diagrams it will start with
Diagram Hendo
you will see the coils and the hook ups.
Hope that helps, if not please ask.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2009 : 6:46:51 PM
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thank you Daftman that was very helpful, however i think i didn't explain my self how i meant to. in that diagram (Diagram Hendo) there are three separate coils, i was planing on making that into one trifilar coil. my plan in the end is to make three of these trifilar coils and hook them up to this circuit. i am pretty sure i have to make a separate circuit for each trifilar coil i would add on, i just don't know where i would or how i would connect the three together.. hopefully this explains how i was thinking. i am sorry for the inconvenience and the frustration i have probably caused. thank you for your help and look forward to hearing from you.
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2009 : 7:15:57 PM
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Depending on how the coil is wound (not looked, being lazy tonight sorry) this system is similar to what i was doing with my recovery coils wound around my drive coil... Except my setup was definatly simpler...
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2009 : 7:22:43 PM
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lol its alright, but ya im going to make three separate coils, each one will have three windings; a trigger, a run, and a recovery/slave/generating winding. i just dont know how to add them into the circuit..
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2009 : 8:46:51 PM
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Their are two ways you can do it...
1) wind a trifiler coil using all three wires wound at the sime time like the bifiler but with 3...
2) Wind the bifilar first and the wind the third coil over the top...
Now...
First two cores are connected as normal... the third all depends on what you want to do with it?
You could feed it back to the primary battery... or you could feed it to a third battery...
Regaurdless of what you do be aware of one big problem... The lenz field will disrupt your power pulse if you try to pull too much out of that third coil...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2009 : 10:13:03 PM
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thank you very much for your help. so i take it that there is no way to get around lenz's law....what if you made like a spark gap or something, wont that make the circuit open so it might cancel lenz's law out? i am just guessing here i don't really know much of lenz's law i am pretty new with all this.
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2009 : 09:52:16 AM
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hey i was just thinking last night about this lenz law problem...what if you set the circuit up where the generation coil or the recovery coil (whatever you want to call it) charges up the capacitors right, then you time it exactly right where that whenever there is no magnet directly in front of the coils, the capacitor will discharge into the run battery or charging battery. now when the capacitor discharges where there is no magnet next to the coils, wouldn't this consider the circuit to be off and the rotor is only spinning due to the momentum of when the circuit was running? wouldn't this cancel out lenz's law because of the fact the circuit is not closed?...
i don't know if this is going to work or not but it is what i was thinking about last night...
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/09/2009 : 10:32:01 AM
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Nice try with using the caps... but no...
You've allready pulled the power from the coil to charge the capacitor thus still creating a lenz effect...
Their is a way to get around lenz... take a look at my build 4
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2009 : 10:08:19 AM
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hey comwarrior i tried looking for your build 4, but i don't think i found it, they say parts - part 1, part 2, and i couldn't find a part 4....hopefully i was looking in the right place it was pretty late when i tried to find it..but thank you for the help, i really want to know how you can get around lenz.
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/09/2009 : 11:25:01 AM
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my build 4 information is a thread on this forum under pulse motors...
Direct link.. http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~312.asp
However, if you look back through my vids on utube the 'feedback to source' group you'll find details of what i refer to as recovery coils...
You can get a lot of power back from your drive coil alone (my record is 95% as shown on one of my video's). However you need to be aware that drawing power from the 'third winding' can take power away from you drive pulse...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2009 : 6:57:38 PM
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wow that is one huge build man, very interesting work you are doing there. let me know how everything goes with it..when i start building this one (the one this topic is on) i will let you know it turns out also.
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/09/2009 : 7:08:07 PM
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theirs an update i don't want to post though... kinda embarresing, bit of a 'oh crap' type of thing... :(
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2009 : 08:24:43 AM
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lol was it something that went wrong in your construction, or not working the way it was supposed to?
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/09/2009 : 11:57:02 AM
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Lets just say, something i guessed was grosly wrong...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2009 : 1:43:31 PM
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lol that happens to me all the time, but that is how we learn. so just keep your head up and keep moving forward man
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/09/2009 : 5:38:49 PM
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Actually, it wasn't the extra friction due to weight that was the problem...
Weirdly, it doesn't like the magnets and the drive coil on the side of the wheel...
But it seems to be ok with them on the outer edge of the wheel...
Weird...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2009 : 11:44:41 AM
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hmm..i guess all i could say is, keep them on the edge of the wheel..but i dont know lol
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/09/2009 : 11:51:16 AM
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the circumference that their on is identical to my build 3 drive rotor so i'm guessing that it's due to the direction of thrust...
This really foobars my design as i was planning to use both ends of the coil for repulsion...
I think i'm going to have to use a dual shaft system and link the two via a belt or chain...
As i said, seriously screws up my ultra compact design... :(
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2009 : 2:36:07 PM
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so let me see if i understand this, you are planning to put your coil in the middle of your design with two spinning rotors with magnets on them correct? so is one rotor on the inside and the other on the outside. ()|---|() ()= rotor |----| = coil
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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/09/2009 : 8:53:17 PM
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Correct... that was the plan...
This picture shows it best...
The drive coil sat ontop of the center post...
I've updated my thread in the PM topic... their pix of my 4.5 build... lol @ 4.5
Please post drive comments to that thread, befor daftman spanks me for thread hijacking... ;)
I'll be starting a thread in the generator systems section for the generator side, possibly tomarrow...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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stan
Starting Member
Slovenia
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 07:53:29 AM
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Hi
I wonder if anybody can tell me what would happen if instead magnets I would use coils with high number of turns of thin wire |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2009 : 2:04:59 PM
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hey stan, i don't think anything would happen..meaning the system would not work the way it is supposed to work. the magnets are there to induce a current which turns on the circuit to make it work, well thats what i understand it as. i don't think the coils would act as magnets because they don't actually attract or repel anything and that is crucial to the circuit design.
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stan
Starting Member
Slovenia
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 2:46:49 PM
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| hi Cass but I think that with coils you would make a lot biger magnetic field what means more energy or much powerfull magnet |
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Please help with Bedini's Patent
