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comwarrior
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/09/2009 : 4:59:39 PM
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Today i started build number 4...
The basics from another topic...
Right, This is the colmanation of several hundred hours of experimenting and theory...
I call this Comwarrios USO generator... (Unidentified Spinning Object)
This is an adaptation of Dan Quale's lenzless generator, you can find his page here...
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DQuale&view=videos
http://www.overunitybuilder.com/lenzlessquale.html
So, the initial credit goes to DQUALE...
here are the basic plans...
Top Down View
Side view
Key
Revised side view
Right, so, the gen coils and gen magnets are fited to STATIC rings... STATIC ie they do NOT spin...
What does spin is the 'stator' in the middle...
On this stator is two pairs of interference rings... These rings have fingers on that interfere with the magnetic field from the magnets and prevent the flux from flowing into the gen coils...
Because that both north fields from the gen magnets are pointed into the coil and the fact your using interference methods the lenz effect is reversed thus causing the device to speed up under load...
my curent 'guestimate' on the gen coils is that you sould use 1000 - 1500 turns of 19 SWG wire on the gencoils combined with Voltage Doubling Rectifiers... All coils on one side are wired so that the VDR's are in series to increase the voltage... However, you may find you can split each side into two...
The gen coils need to produce atleast 24 volts at no load in order to get curent to flow onto the 12 volt drive rail...
Optimal gen coil loading should be between 50-75% of their maximum 'shorted' curent...
Minimum rotational speed is 600 RPM, Faster than that will cause the gen coils to produce a higher voltage which is good!!!
Their will be 1000+ questions about this... I'm still doing experiments on the generator coils, i will building something similar this weekend...
I have gone overboard with the gen coils in the diagram, but more is better...
So, I started building today...
Wanna see some pix? Ofcourse you do...
It's massive... I believe with the exception of MALLEN that i have the bigest build...
And yes, i'm very worried... the rotor that you can see in the pix will have to be lightened...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2009 : 5:08:59 PM
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i spent most of the day drawing on my generator rotor...
As a result i now know where my interference plates are going...
Pix for those interested
I worked out the spacing, and i can fit 16 large coils, I changed the drive system to use 5 magnets instead of 4...
I'm going to run spacing for large coils on one side and small coils on the other, that way i can directly compair outputs...
Also, it means that i have the option to play with standard sized coils if i wish to...
Let me know what you all think...
Thanks
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 6:29:35 PM
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it's midnight, just posting some pix b4 i hit my bed...
I've lightened my drive / generator rotor...
I've started putting on the interference plates so you can now see the paturn and how it's going to work...
I've ran out of M4 nuts and bolts  for which i'm not impressed...
I also discoverd that my overhaul of my bedini bench power system had caused a power leak... and today i discoverd both batteries were flat... i immediatly spotted the problem... luckerly it's given out some sunny weather for the next few days so my little solar pannel should bring the two bats to a usable level...
Here are the two pix i took tonight befor packing up...
Comments, questions, as allways, just shout...
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"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2009 : 4:21:37 PM
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Hi everyone,
Heres some more pix of my build so far... these will give you an idea as to how it works...
It's NOT running yet, this is only a dry fit to make sure i've not screwed one of the measurements...
As i said... big build...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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Trait
New Member
USA
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Posted - 13/09/2009 : 5:49:38 PM
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| This looks great CW! Can't wait to see the rest come together |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2009 : 5:59:26 PM
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The weight of the rotor and the concequential load on the bearings and the extra friction that causes is concerning me...
I know by logic that their is going to be more friction, but because of the 'inertia' of the rotor i cant feel it...
This is where you do start to need CNC and CAD Machines... Perhaps santa will bring me one... lol
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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Trait
New Member
USA
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Posted - 13/09/2009 : 7:11:32 PM
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Last project I did on a rotor I turned horizontal and used magnets to take the majority of the weight load. Granted my rotor was about a pound but it's a thought. I had about 2 mills clearance off the bottom disk magnet. The problem I had was that the rotor bumped into the horizontal shaft which had no bearings. I'm sure adding bearings above the supporting magnet would smooth that out and keep friction minimal.
Good luck on the CNC and CAD machines. I'm still dreaming of laying hands on a milling machine and lathe. |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2009 : 8:30:02 PM
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Actually, i've seen an interesting artical with the basics of making a CNC machine... complete with software...
if i thaught i stood a chance of being able to make one, i would...
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it's 0230, i'm too pumped to sleep... i wanna build more... but can't, neighbours will kill me...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
Edited by - comwarrior on 13/09/2009 8:31:19 PM |
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Trait
New Member
USA
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Posted - 14/09/2009 : 08:40:49 AM
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I saw what looked like a 'feasible' project to make a CNC. I think it was on www.instructables.com
But really, I'm with you... I'd hate to buy everything only to have it come flying apart in a mildly violent explosion. Perhaps I'll just keep saving... lol
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2009 : 8:56:11 PM
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it wasnt from that site... but they coild be the same...
The one i saw used a PC's parallel port to directly drive the stepper moters...
another day on my big build...
i've got the drive coil mounted on an adjustable platform...
tighttend the nuts of my shaft and tried it out for a spin...
Unfortunatly, for some stupid reason it wouldn't fire, i even tried using the cordless drill to get it upto speed, but it wouldn't fire with that ether...
It's not a desaster if you don't get it to fire first time... it most likely needs more adjusting...
Going to have to take another look at the rotor again... it doesn't seem to be too stable as it is... so need to find a better way for clamping it to the shaft...
I started seting up my oversized gen coil... magnets are half way to being mounted... the core (15 M4 threaded rods) have been cut and glued into the core... although, i hate the glue i used, it stinks!...
it now mostly going to be a case of adjusting it and working out the bugs... lol
this is the 20-80 / 80-20 rule... 20% of my time is used to do 80% of the work... however, 80% of my time is taken up by the last 20% of the work that is all detail and precision...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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Trait
New Member
USA
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Posted - 15/09/2009 : 09:21:54 AM
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I've run into the very same problem time and again.
I always make great progress the first day on a project, but somewhere towards the end... The wife start's interrupting, the daughter want's to play around in the garage and who knows what else.
It's frustrating to get so close to completion and yet unable to finally move to TESTING the thing! |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2009 : 3:25:27 PM
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Today, not much got done... I've mainly been waiting for glue to dry because i've ran out of epoxy and hotmelt...
I've strengthened the structure a little bit...
I've added more glue to the core of my gen coil...
i've added 'flanges' to my rotor to help stabilise it on the shaft.....
I've started drawing up a mounting plate for my controll coils...
Thats about it... not much progress i know... it's all been fidly little anoying stuff...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2009 : 8:28:20 PM
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Not posted for a week... This was due to a really big problem..
on the system i'd build the drive system was at 90 deg to the rotor...
unfortunatly, this did not produce the desired amount of drive power (hardly any actually)
As such i've scaled it down for now...
Had it spinning today, spinning pritty quick too... fast enough to make a right good mess of a stray finger!
Seems to have a sweet spot for 15.5volts at 70mA which is weird... lol
I'm starting on the generator side from this point in so expect tomarrow more pictures... but expect a new topic in the generator systems board...
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For got to link in the pix i took from my mobile, therefor apologies for the quality and resolution...
Running at it's sweet spot #1
Running at it's sweet spot #2
Amp draw (second scale down) - ignore the volt meter, thats the battery on the back emf
Interference plates
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
Edited by - comwarrior on 21/09/2009 8:40:39 PM |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 3:27:53 PM
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hey Comwarrior we were talking earlier and i asked the question to understand your idea..you want to get two spinning rotors buy using both ends of the coil correct? well i was thinking what if you made like a design that looked like a ufo. where as its a fully enclosed structure where the outside is attached to the coil itself, and instead of using a straight coil you have a C or a [ coil where the magnets - attached to the inner rotor will pass through the middle of the coil.. lol its hard to understand what i mean, i will draw up what I'm talking about and post it here if thats ok with you.
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2009 : 5:29:50 PM
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The thaught of using a horse shoe drive coil has one big problem...
I'd like to see you wind 1200 windes of 25SWG bifilar onto one...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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cass
Senior Member
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2009 : 7:25:37 PM
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lol im sure it could be done it would just be one Huge coil
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2009 : 7:27:04 PM
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... one huge pain in the butt more like...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2009 : 07:41:07 AM
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just a quick update...
After sorting out a few problems with alignment etc i got it to spin and bed itself in again...
Here is a few pix for everyone...
Below: I made a better VDR than the ones i was using. Theirs 4 on the unit and each one adds it's voltage together.
Below: Overall view of my build while spinning
Below: Amp draw, top black scale
Below: everyhing spinning showing the voltage from my control gen coil
Below: closer look at the gen coil and interference disk while spinning
Since those pix were taken with only one control gen coil (IE unmodified between builds as a reference point... I've unwound the second controll gen coil and split the wire with another coil.
I want to see if i get a more efficient generator system with lots of lower turn coils (same size of wire) than the same number of larger turn coils...
However, i have ran into a problem...
While with one magnet their was no coggint from a single coil, when i added the second coil the cogging effect AMPLIFIED and as such it doesn't have enough power to run...
I have a working theory as to how i can reduce the cogging effect so i'll be testing my theory...
The only question is, do i have enough magnets...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
333 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2009 : 4:21:57 PM
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hi there CW,
ima been keeping an eye on yah progres from abroad...looking good...i see that u r not dead nor multi-$$$$ yet...haha
it did gave u some trouble but dont expect it 2 go smooth either...:)
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However, i have ran into a problem...
While with one magnet their was no coggint from a single coil, when i added the second coil the cogging effect AMPLIFIED and as such it doesn't have enough power to run...
I have a working theory as to how i can reduce the cogging effect so i'll be testing my theory...
The only question is, do i have enough magnets...
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i taught that the lenzless gen setup u use from Dqualy(or something like that) was lenzless?? or was it useless?? haha...lol
that lenz dude does keep yah busy or ima reading and understanding it wrong??hmmm that could b right...:P
update: whatever trouble u ran into...just take ur time to resolve it and dont rush it...
Peace!
V2DAY
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 29/09/2009 11:52:43 AM |
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comwarrior
Moderator
United Kingdom
477 Posts |
Posted - 29/09/2009 : 6:33:35 PM
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The cogging is nothing to do with lenz...
it's to do with the magnet itself slowing down the roter...
i've just completed a INFO sticky in the generator systems board about it...
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Generator Systems Moderator
"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?
95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!
http://www.youtube.com/user/comwarrior69 |
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