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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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 Posted - 01/04/2009 : 1:22:04 PM
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hi all and hi to theDaftman,
I started to view some vids on Bedini motor a week ago becoz i was looking for a way to make energie but without using the sun or wind.
I did not know anything about it but with the help of theDaftman, introvertebrate and skycollection vids-tips and Diagram i have made 1 and its running 2day.
I have watch many other vids but these 3 people gave me the info and inspiration i needed.
Its a very simpel motor becoz i wanna know how it all works first and understand the bedini circuit be4 making a better 1.
Gonna make some pics and will upload them here with the info about my Bedini Motor.
Btw i am no expert just some1 open minded and willing to think outside the box ;-)
I could not upload ma pics here so i made a quick page for them...click here http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor.html
P.S. thanks a million 4 your Daftman Bedini Diagram...Cheers m8
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 02/04/2009 05:39:17 AM |
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teep
Forum Admin
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 11:49:15 AM
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Nice work nice to see you’ve got your project up and running. Now to the neon bulb, I don’t know of any neon bulb that work under 80v. When your neon bulb lights up it is doing so on the Back EMF by your coil. Now, that takes me to a different thread originally posted by rgbargee in a different thread on this forum but hits the nail on the head so I will just quote his words,
The reason we use a neon bulb is that in it’s normal state there is no connection between the plus and minus sides of the bulb, its only when it gets to its rated voltage that it ignites / arcs across and forms its own connection. Now the reason we use a 100/110v-neon bulb is because the transistor can just about handle 100/110 volts but it is right at its limits so you need to turn it off quick if the neon is on. If you use a normal bulb with a filament in it you will not get the indication of the voltage and if it’s a 230-filament bulb by the time it is lit your transistor is dead. 230 neon will protect your transistor but it if ever lights at 230 your transistor will break straight away so the indication will be too late.
Sorry for short reply, just very dizzy at the moment.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 4:14:38 PM
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hi there,
no need 2 apologize my friend...:))
thanks 4 your replay...much appreciated
i still can not imagine that me Motor could generate more than 80v.
i did messure the output it was only 8.08v or maybe i messure it on the wrong side...still a apprentice here...anyway
i have updated my page with some new pics of ma new & improved(hopefully) Bedini Circiut by theDaftman.
the In4001 diode is replace with a In4002 1...is this a problem for the efficientie of the motor??
take care m8 with that dizzyness...try to relax abit...chillout...no stress 4 a few hours...
click here for the pics of ma Bedini Motor http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor.html
btw...i dont mind putting ma pics on ma page...keeps yours clean and less stress on your provider...:))
2nd btw...can i get all the components needed for building the Bedini Motor and the Bat swap Diagram(Daftman) at this Webstore http://cpc.farnell.com/ u mentioned in another topic?? becoz here in holland i dont seem 2 get any luck with these stuff...thnx |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 02/04/2009 4:39:21 PM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 09/04/2009 : 07:52:28 AM
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hi folks...the page has been updated with some stuff and info.
i cant get the rotor 2 spin on neither of those 2 Circuit so i do think i made a mistake somewhere in the Diagram.
if it dont work like this and i cant figure it out...well back 2 the drawing board wich means that i will make 1 just like Daftman do...like ma first 1 (that did work)
click here for the pics of ma Bedini Motor http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor.html
Btw...Daftman i havent seen u around lately m8...i do hope that ur doing fine :) |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 09/04/2009 07:53:45 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 08:13:57 AM
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its not my Circuit that is the problem but ma Coils...coz i did some testing and they work perfect with the old coil.(both)
i did view the Vids from Daftman and introvertebrate on how 2 make a coil...and i did my wrong:/
i made a small coil winding aparatus & ma first Bifiliar coil...did it wrong but still :)
i also resize the Bat-Swap Diagram so i can begin on that 2day...3 pics has been added.
click here for the pics of ma Bedini Motor http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor.html
All HaVe a HappY EasTerN HoliDayS
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teep
Forum Admin
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Posted - 13/04/2009 : 04:55:55 AM
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I have been keeping a eye on your work looking good. I don’t understand the resizing of the diagram for the Auto battery swapper its uploaded in scale to the dimensions of the components. Anyway good look and thanks for your mail.
I will be working on a all new battery swapper soon one that will be more suited to are needs but you will be able to use most of the components you already have in this one.
Good look with your project let us all know how you get on.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 13/04/2009 : 05:19:59 AM
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nice 2 see u here m8 & u r welcome...i did the resize becoz i couldnt handle the tiny components on such a small Diagram...those fat fingers really get in the way. haha...the Bat-Swap Diagram is almost done...hope 2 finished it 2day...if done lateron i will upload a pic of it...gonna enjoy abit of sunshine now...
Good 1 making a new Bat Swap with almost the same components....cheers m8
oke folks...i just finished the Bat-Swap Diagram...pics has been uploaded...u r gonna loved it.:)
second update 4 2day...coils in the making...ima on a roll now (i think)check page.
click here for the pics of ma Bedini Motor
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor.html |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 13/04/2009 10:13:27 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 14/04/2009 : 4:27:34 PM
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oke...heres another update on ma Bedini Motor.
if the webpage is getting 2 large 2 open 4 u guys just lemme know...ima split it in 2...:)
all those pics r around 300KB so it getting heavy if yah don have ADSL.
1 question 4 the Daftman or any1 else that know the answer.
why is it that some Electromotors r smooth spinning and some r not??
when u spin them by hand u can feel the differents between them...some needs more Torque than others.
thnx 4 any replay on this...if 1 know this its easier 2 get the good ones 2 make a Generator with it.
Page has been updated(second time) with 2 pics and some info...aint much but its something
update 3...Just wanted 2 say that when a load like a light bulp is put on the generator it does effect the speed of the Rotor in a negative way & the Bemf and generator Voltage dropped but ima still not convince that this is the end ...there is a way its a matter of finding it... the search goes on.
update 4...just some pics & info about the Bedini Motor running with a load.
click here for the pics of ma Bedini Motor
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor.html |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 15/04/2009 05:09:19 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 16/04/2009 : 09:39:58 AM
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just wanted 2 say that ima been playing with Caps alot and know now how they work...pretty stuff.
i`ve also been looking to make the current flow evenly...well i think i can achieve that with the bridge rectifier.
gonna use the 1 in the Daftman Bat Swap...Supply 20V-Output 5V...ma Bedini can run on 5V.
gonna try 3 35V 3300uf Caps in paralel and series with the 7805 1Amp 2 see witch 1 will supply better.
i`ve come 2 the conclusion that it is possible 2 run a Bedini Circuit on Caps without using Batery.
i think i just need the Batery for the start (or give the rotor a good wack)and than when the caps r loaded i can swicth of the batery and switch on the caps.
and i now know that Super caps r far better 4 this purpuse but they r expensive 2...thats why ima gonna try using more of the same in series or paralel till i get the best results.
when i get the results i want i will go 4 the super caps.
will post some pics when done playing with this...i have the whole weekend 4 this.
i find it strange that i havent seen many Bedini Circiut running on Caps...i`ve seen only 1 if i do recall.
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tropes
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Posted - 16/04/2009 : 4:43:15 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by BiDaDiKuNuKu
just wanted 2 say that ima been playing with Caps alot and know now how they work...pretty stuff.
i`ve also been looking to make the current flow evenly...well i think i can achieve that with the bridge rectifier.
gonna use the 1 in the Daftman Bat Swap...Supply 20V-Output 5V...ma Bedini can run on 5V.
gonna try 3 35V 3300uf Caps in paralel and series with the 7805 1Amp 2 see witch 1 will supply better.
i`ve come 2 the conclusion that it is possible 2 run a Bedini Circuit on Caps without using Batery.
i think i just need the Batery for the start (or give the rotor a good wack)and than when the caps r loaded i can swicth of the batery and switch on the caps.
and i now know that Super caps r far better 4 this purpuse but they r expensive 2...thats why ima gonna try using more of the same in series or paralel till i get the best results.
when i get the results i want i will go 4 the super caps.
will post some pics when done playing with this...i have the whole weekend 4 this.
i find it strange that i havent seen many Bedini Circiut running on Caps...i`ve seen only 1 if i do recall.
BiDaDik
I have found that unfortunately the capacitor is not an independent voltage source like a battery. Even if you try to separate it by diodes its negative pole is tied to the positive battery pole. Therefore I have resolved to use the cap to charge a second battery. I am watching with anticipation for a circuit which will allow me to charge my coil with a cap while that cap is being charged by the BEMF.
Tropes
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 18/04/2009 : 09:41:20 AM
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I have found that unfortunately the capacitor is not an independent voltage source like a battery. Even if you try to separate it by diodes its negative pole is tied to the positive battery pole. Therefore I have resolved to use the cap to charge a second battery. I am watching with anticipation for a circuit which will allow me to charge my coil with a cap while that cap is being charged by the BEMF.
i do get ur point about switching Battery 4 Caps...ima not done testing yet...maybe just maybe instead of the Primary and Charging Battery`s...change them for 2 SuperCaps...becoz i have read that the Supercaps do work abit more like battery`s...and just maybe putting some bridge rectifier with the Caps so they dicharge with a constant flow...ima just thinking ramdom here...don even know if what ima saying makes any sence...but iam always open 2 try new things...just like i did with the Rotor mounted direct on a Generetor(electromotor).
i have some changes in ma page...cut it in 3...so much better 2 load 4 u guys/girls...:))
click here for the pics of ma Bedini Motor
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bedini-Motor_1.html
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Bat-Swap-Coils_2.html
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-RotorTransformation_3.html
these 2 have been updated...
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-RotorTransformation_3.html
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html
just a quick update on the Third Page and ma new Window Project.
i will buy a Digital VideoCam so i can upload some Vids from ma projects.
when done playing with thse 2 i will choose the best 1(what i think)and than gonna resize it as big as i can...ima very excited 2 see what a BIG 1 of these will do...i think the best 1 4 me will be the Window type...time will tell .
Peace 4 yah all...have a energetic weekend
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 19/04/2009 05:55:18 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 20/04/2009 : 04:33:46 AM
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oke...ma first Vid has been uploaded...hope u guys/girls like it and understand it also...
and ma Motor doesnt sound like a Formula1 car...more like a Turbocharged Tractor...
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 20/04/2009 05:00:26 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 20/04/2009 : 2:37:08 PM
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4 medi40 who ask 4 some info...the Coils r single wire...the RUN coil is 0.6mm and about 100 turns...the TRIGGER coil is 0.25mm and about 165 turns...yeh ma coils r really bad...i just bought these like this and just used them...i didnt do anything 2 them...it is very difficult to find the good wires 4 ma coils...but ima not giving up yet
i can only imagine how ma Motor will run with 500 turns of each and a 0.4 trigger wire instead of the 0.25 and Bifiliar...that will be something or not?!
my B-emf is about 2.25v and the Amp in and out i cant messure becoz the instruments i have only goes 2 250Mamp...when i do try 2 messure it goes way of tha scale.
hope this info help yah...if ya need more info just ask
Btw...when buying wire 2 use as a coil use this page 2 caculate how many turns r there or how many meters u need 2 make a 500 turn coil with a 0.5mm wire...http://www.calculatoredge.com/electronics/coilwinding.htm
this link is posted here on this forum by TEEP himself...its darn handy
Peace yah all |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 20/04/2009 2:48:36 PM |
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teep
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Posted - 20/04/2009 : 5:10:01 PM
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Just a tip on getting your hands on some cheep wire for your coils.
If you take the back off a old TV or PC monitor you will find some large coils around the tube not the ones on the neck of the tube but going around the outer circumference of the tube maybe covered/coated in black tape. If you need a video on this I will have a look in to it for you but I think you will be able to work it out with out any video.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 21/04/2009 : 03:39:34 AM
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hi there m8,
thnx 4 the tip...awesome.
no need 4 a Video but thnx 4 the offer...theres a secondhand store right next 2 ma house so ima gonna buy there some old TV/PC monitor.
will post some pics from what i`ve got
Cheers m8...Peace |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 21/04/2009 03:42:00 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 22/04/2009 : 04:53:56 AM
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hallo there...
i`ve just uploaded ma second Vid...same setup but with more Speed/Voltage gain and i`ve put a Load on it(radio)...
its pretty cool 2 run a radio on it...Bemf is not being collected.
radio runs on the Voltage coming from the Generator beneth the Rotor.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BiDaDiKuNuKu
take care & Peace
UPDATE...
ma Window Type has been updated with some pics and info.
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html
Btw...TeeP when u have some time can u check the Window Type Pics( http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html)to see if i did the wirering correctly or is the space between the magnetes and coils 2 big??...i`ve put all the info u need on the Pic itself...thnx in advance...i will keep trying ma self...like i always do.
hi TEEP...
when u get the time can u check the Pic on this page...http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/Learning-Diagram.html just edit the pic where necesery.
ima just trying 2 learn about Caps, series, paralel and rectifier...how they work and where 2 put them in a Diagram...so i can continu ma research and testing on ma Bedini Motor.
thnx in advance 4 ur time and help...it is much appriciated.
Cheers m8 |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 22/04/2009 12:09:56 PM |
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teep
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Posted - 24/04/2009 : 05:30:16 AM
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hi m8,
thnx 4 the awesome links & info...much appriciated.
and yes...all ur info does help...:D
take care & Peace
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 25/04/2009 : 2:48:04 PM
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hi Teeps,
about => You will need some kind of voltage regulator...yeh i made 1...
it can have a input from 5vdc to 35vdc and its output is 5vdc constant...sweet!
it cant run ma radio but it can make a light bulp(5V 100AMP)run for 20 seconds on 4 Supa Caps.
been also playing alot with these Caps(25.000uf 15vDC ones) got 7 of those 4 a cheap price...very cool...
will post a pic a.s.a.p.
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 25/04/2009 2:51:21 PM |
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teep
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Posted - 25/04/2009 : 3:30:59 PM
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Sorry Mike it seems I missing some posts on the forum I’m struggling to keep up with all the mail from youtube and the forum.
Its not BEMF that you are measuring it’s the voltage being generated by the unit. Nice!
No it all looks ok but its something to do with the triggering side of things. Just go over your connections.
Please make absolutely shore that your magnets are well secured, when this unit takes off that tape may not hold the magnets from flying.
This is the link to BiDaDiKuNuKu full description of the above motor in the pic.
http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 26/04/2009 : 3:47:33 PM
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hi Teeps and Teep himself :),
thnx 4 the info...not Bemf...waow...still have 2 learn alot i see.
btw...where do i messure the B-emf?
its running now...i did remade it the half of its original lenght.
about that tape..u r right but i am very careful and becoz of the BIG drag of having no bearings and with a treaded axel its oke 4 now.
i do feel and hear that it does want 2 go faster but thankfully its not...ma next will be better.
i hocked 7 caps on the Voltage output and them on the voltage regulator and then on Radio.
between the output and caps i put a DIODE IN4007 so the current only flow into the Caps and between the Caps and the Battery also 1 becoz i dont want the Caps to drain ma Battery...did this becoz i have notice that Caps tend 2 charged or discharged when ever they get the chance...i maybe wrong here tho...like i said nothing is impossible...so me being wrong is possible.
but it does work very well with this layout...
alltho the radio has 2 have 9VDC its running very smooth on the 5VDC output...
the radio now get a nice evenly flow of 5VDC...very sweet...
batterys r almost empty...when i recharged the on monday i will make a VID with the radio working on this system with all thse caps...
and yes i did do the bottom coil clockwise...just testing.
like theDaftman said in his Vid that 1 should be anti clockwise.
afther i make a Vid ima gonna do the bottom coil anti-clockwise and see what happend next.
the RUN and TRIGGER wire r still connected the same way as before.
check page 2 see that info.
a small info update: i get 17volt when started without spinning of the rotor(do get a high squiking noise) and 7volt with it spinning...input is around 9volt now...battery`s going dead.
second update(4got 2 say...like daftman said "must b the age thing:"):for info on how ma Window Type Bedini work see this Vid from the Daftman ofcourse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmzRcb3SnRw&feature=channel_page
but i dont think that i`ve connect ma coil wire the same way tho.
this page has been updated with pics and some info http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html
u all have a Energetic week and be safe...Peace!
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Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 27/04/2009 03:48:36 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Netherlands
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Posted - 29/04/2009 : 03:05:18 AM
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oke...i wanted 2 make a Vid but i fry both of mine 100ohms resistor in the process.
ima gonna buy a few 2day so i can make a Vid hopefully 2day.
i did upload 2 pics and some info 4 u teeps outthere.
i did messure the output yesterday...without spinning(& without load) but with squiking noise its output voltage is about 60volts.
with the rotor spinning(& without load) the output is about 30volts.
those r some good voltage generated...
i can not let it for more than a few seconds like this becoz the resistor begins 2 smoke immedaitely.
the radio still runs like a champ on the 5volt with the caps on the system.
above i said ; about that tape..u r right but i am very careful and becoz of the BIG drag of having no bearings and with a treaded axel its oke 4 now.
ohh boy i was wrong again...i bought a good RPM messure instrumnets(pricy)(tachnometer) and messure the speed.
i did messure it like 4 times...around 11.000 rpm it was doing.
i still cant believe that ma Window Type with all that friction is going so fast...thats insane man...but cooool
time 2 fix those Neo`s on the Rotor be4 it get nasty
this page has been updated with pics and some info http://www.sunshinebonaire.com/Bedini-Motor/BediniMotor-Window_1.html |
Edited by - BiDaDiKuNuKu on 29/04/2009 03:12:41 AM |
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BiDaDiKuNuKu
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Fabonheur
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Posted - 29/04/2009 : 11:02:45 AM
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| Hi BiDi. Nice work.For more protection of the resistor you can increase the power rate of the resistor and as well by adding a small 12Volts-60ma bulb with it in series. Keep experimentig |
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My first Bedini Motor ever :)
