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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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 Posted - 13/01/2009 : 8:33:17 PM
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As I have been trying to get the SS Charger from the bedini book to work un-successfully, I decided to make up a simple schematic in the way the Daftman does his diagrams with the little brass pins.
Well after doing this to this plan....
I find that I still can't get it to work and I feel I have a problem around the SCR 800v.
I would like to ask the Daftman to cast his experience over this diagram of mine and maybe alter where it is wrong.
I would like to get this going and would be increasing the number of coils down the track to have this SS charge my batteries.
Your help with this would be very much appreciated.
Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 5:31:39 PM
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Sorry Hendo1944 I will come back to you on this. I have just ran out of time right now. I also don’t have a copy of the SS diagram. So I’ve done what I think maybe the problem.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 15/01/2009 : 12:44:47 AM
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Thank you Daftman...I will make your recommended changes and see if it all works. The SCR 800v looks like a transistor (in my original diagram) has 3 legs and I am confused on how they fit into the circuit!
Thank you for your time, you are a great help.
Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 10:45:44 AM
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I think this is what you maybe looking 4. Sorry if I didn’t pickup on your request before.
Anyway this is a pic I have just put together for you, a typical SCR/triac pin out/in, hope that helps.
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rgbargee
New Member
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2009 : 2:18:30 PM
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| lookin good here hendo , quick question what do you use for coils turns/guage/core material id like to have a go at this too if thats ok with you :) |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2009 : 4:40:06 PM
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Thank you Daftman....that SCR800v detail was exactly what I was looking for and I have now done this.
I am disappointed once again as it still doesn't work the way it should and I have double checked things. Don't know what to do next, as I need a SS that outputs at least 5amp to make it worthwhile with the battery swapper. I don't know why it is not working.
Anyway, thanks again...maybe you have some other suggestions on what I am doing wrong.
Hendo1944
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2009 : 4:46:37 PM
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I use a tri-filiar wound coils of 450 turns with welding rod center core. The magnetic wire is .475 and .710 for the trigger. I didn't understand the SCR 800V, but the Daftman has helped me greatly here. I have been playing with this for quite a while.
Have a go....good luck!!
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Originally posted by rgbargee
lookin good here hendo , quick question what do you use for coils turns/guage/core material id like to have a go at this too if thats ok with you :)
Hendo1944
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2009 : 12:03:59 PM
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Air-cooled circuit boards :)
Any updates John? I'd like to see you get a self-powered battery charger running so I can build one too!
I'm about to commence a big OU test run with the IRO system...
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raykos
Starting Member
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Posted - 31/01/2009 : 08:33:59 AM
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Hello hendo1944,
I, too, am going to build Mr. Bedini's SS Charger, and I was thinking on using your drawing as a template. While going over your drawing,(and in your pictures) I see that you have pins 4 & 5 reversed on the opto-coupler(H11D1). I also saw in Daftman's return drawing he too pointed this out. Since I'm going to be building the same circuit, I'm curious, did you make the corrections, and did it fix the charger?
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2009 : 10:59:27 PM
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sorry for late response...but been busy with my business interests and have heaps on at the moment. Also the temp is over 40 degrees centigrade the few weeks and it is just to hot to do anything at the moment. As my pictures show, the circuit has been build, but to my disappointment it still doesn't work. I have just finished build a new coil which is bifiliar with 750 turns on it. In order to do this I have to wind it by hand first on one stand and then use a drill to wind them both together on to the correct spool. This very time consuming. And at the end of it all, it still doesn't work.
I hope TEEP can look at my system sometime and point out the error of my ways. My first system I have working, but the output is very disappointing, so I have started with a Jetijs system the same as Therenart has, as I hope it outputs heaps more.
Keep watching as I will be back....
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Originally posted by JustAnElectrician
Air-cooled circuit boards :)
Any updates John? I'd like to see you get a self-powered battery charger running so I can build one too!
I'm about to commence a big OU test run with the IRO system...
...just an Electrician! Since 1985...
Hendo1944
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2009 : 11:08:23 PM
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The reversal of the opto pins 4 & 5 is what Bedini has put out in an amended sketch in his book. The charger is not working at this stage and I don't know why. I am hoping that when the Daftman get some time, he can help me find the error of my ways, but for now it is not working. My original version works better than this, but is very disappointing in its output. Again that was the second attempt at that build, but I decided to simplify the layout to the Daftman way of doing a circuit, which will be far easier to track for errors, hence the current system that doesn't work.
I have been building new coils for a Jetijs system, that I am told produces great results and is a lot easier to build. See some of Theremart results!! He amplifies it through a series of coils, before finally putting it into a battery. Theremart seems very happy with the results.
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Originally posted by raykos
Hello hendo1944,
I, too, am going to build Mr. Bedini's SS Charger, and I was thinking on using your drawing as a template. While going over your drawing,(and in your pictures) I see that you have pins 4 & 5 reversed on the opto-coupler(H11D1). I also saw in Daftman's return drawing he too pointed this out. Since I'm going to be building the same circuit, I'm curious, did you make the corrections, and did it fix the charger?
Thanks,
Ray
Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 04:21:45 AM
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Sorry Hendo I didn’t realise you was waiting for my response. It must be my old age you know.
I think NE555 is ok but I cannot see some of your connections so just verify them with the next photo please.
Please remember I don’t have any copies of the original diagram by Bedini for this set up only the one you have posted.
Hope that helps.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 4:02:45 PM
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Many thanks Daftman.....I will give the changes a try today and will report if it works OK. Appreciate your time on this, as I think others are trying to build the same. I like to work to your simple diagrams as for me I will be able to follow the circuit.
I could send original diagram, but due to copyright, I can't place it here. Again...many thanks!
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Originally posted by teep
Sorry Hendo I didn’t realise you was waiting for my response. It must be my old age you know.
Please remember I don’t have any copies of the original diagram by Bedini for this set up only the one you have posted.
Hope that helps.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2009 : 06:18:18 AM
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Hi Hendo, this one must be getting a bit frustrating for you now.
Sorry I have only just got round to your email. I have about 200 emails a day from forums and work so I cannot answer my mail as quick as I would like. Most of then are just thank you mail for my work and videos, sorry I don’t have an email address you can send photos to, I had to stop this as my servers was overflowing daily. If you upload them to your normal place you can send me the link from Teep.
Now back to your problem I now have the book and diagram (20 Bedini- Bearden Years) and all I can say I think I must be going mad in my old age or I’m missing something with Bedini- Bearden’s schematic
This is my problem with it H11D1 is just a opto-isolator (High Voltage Transistor Output)
Pin 4 of the HD11D1 in Bedini- Bearden’s schematic goes to the base of the transistor 2n3584 and pin 5 goes to ground, to put it simply to me that’s wrong. The emitter of any transistor should go to power source and the collector would to put it simply be the output. What am I saying then? Pin 5 of the HD11D1, to me should go to the transistor’s base and pin 4 should go to ground but maybe I’m just missing something.
Or they are being used as a Darlington setup that makes some sense.
Anyway the books wrong on the HD11D1 pin output 4 is 5, and 5 is 4.
I will give this some more thought.
Please check this link, to the emitter (E) of the transistor (2N3584) should only go to the gate (G) of the MTE 5610
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2009 : 5:17:15 PM
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Thank you Daftman for helping....yes....it is frustrating.
I tried the original amended plan from "Free Energy Generation" which I purchased some time ago. The first attempt wouldn't work, so redone it on a new circuit board and sort of got it working, after I got the right information from you regarding the scr800v.
I then decided to redo the whole system in a format that you use and is easy to follow...well it still won't work.
Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/02/2009 : 09:56:52 AM
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Diagram Hendo
Hendo let me no when you have the diagram that looks like this one. Please.
S is the start of the coil.
E is the end of the coil.
Sorry I will not be doing a setout diagram for this one copyright and all that.
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 03:48:12 AM
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I have it working tonight....tried to get a few parts during the day and couldn't get 10uf 600v capacitor so used a 10uf 450v one as well as transistor 2N3564, ended up using 2N3584 everything else I could source.
The unit works currently at a constant .62 amp output and it works heaps better than my other attempts.
Thank you Daftman for all your help and patience with me.
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Let me know how you get on with it please I’ve now tried it.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 4:21:38 PM
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Fantastic! But doesn’t this have a rotor running. Did it work straight off or did you have to modify the diagram in anyway?
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 5:12:00 PM
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Most impressed...it worked first go, even as I had to use a different capacitor and transistor, as mentioned previously. I don't have a rotor running and did not modify your schematic in any way, except for a different capacitor and transistor. The coil is a tri-filiar arrangement with 450 turns of 23swg magnetic wire. The core is welding rods, as the picture above shows.
I had it charging a large battery overnight, which at the start had only 8.70 volts and currently is at 11.93volts. The charger is very quite and the only way I can tell is, when I place a neo magnet on the coil the oscilation becomes obvious. As mentioned the charge rate is .62amp and I will fiddle around with this and see if I can improve it. As I don't have a crowe, I can only play with the sounds to get better output. I am very pleased with the simple design and will be trying to hook it up with your battery swapper in the next few days.
The explanations you gave me earlier on this are some what confusing, but I will sit down and try to understand what you are saying.
I also will be putting both charger and swapper together in a contained plastic box for simplicity sake, with just an on/off switch, led light and terminal for battery 1 and another for battery 2. Thank you again Daftman for all your help!
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Originally posted by teep
Fantastic! But doesn’t this have a rotor running. Did it work straight off or did you have to modify the diagram in anyway?
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/02/2009 : 5:26:33 PM
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Originally posted by hendo1944
The explanations you gave me earlier on this are some what confusing, but I will sit down and try to understand what you are saying.
Sorry if I’ve confused things, can you let me know what you confusion is and I will try to explain.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 5:39:32 PM
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No need to be sorry, it is me not fully understanding the way the swappers relay is to be wired to battery 1, battery 2 and the charger.
If I send you details of the relay pins, can you tell me what goes where and if a diode needs to be added between the power input?
Would appreciate it very much as I don't wish to blow it up. I had to wait over a week from Farnells in the UK to get it.
Thanks again...
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Originally posted by teep
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Originally posted by hendo1944
The explanations you gave me earlier on this are some what confusing, but I will sit down and try to understand what you are saying.
Sorry if I’ve confused things, can you let me know what you confusion is and I will try to explain.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 5:44:32 PM
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no problem just send me the Farnell part number.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 6:01:59 PM
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Farnell part number: 186454
MY4 12DCS Relay, 4PCO, 12VDC
The above is what is on my invoice. I appreciate this...thank you, as it would be nice to test both units in the next few days. I will certainly let you know the outcome....thanks again.
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Originally posted by teep
no problem just send me the Farnell part number.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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Hendo1944
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rgbargee
New Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/02/2009 : 1:16:34 PM
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Ive just got to say Hendo your an inspiration mate, nice work ------ again!  |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2009 : 3:35:55 PM
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The new ChargeSwap system is almost ready for extensive testing. Many have visited these pages and watched and read the Daftman's responses to me in trying to get a solid state charger to work with a low voltage Swapper. I am greatly appreciative to the Daftman for his knowledge and patience in this project and Thank him.
A few small adjustments like finally working out how to wire in the 4 pole relay still needs to be done and upon completion of this, I am sure it will all work. As previously stated, I have tested the charger on its own for a couple of days and feel that it could be improved upon, but for the time being, I am satisfied to give it a go.
The main purpose is to operate a sleep apnia breathing machine (12v) in my caravan, while on remote trips. If battery one drops below a certain voltage, the system will switch over to battery 2 and the charger is activated to start charging battery 1. It will continue its cycle while power is on to switch between 1 & 2.
As there is nothing like it on the market for people that wish to caravan in remote areas, in other words, not in caravan parks, this system is in demand.
Here are some pictures of the system:
As you can see the two systems are fitted into a small handy plastic box that would be easy to hook to two 100AH deep cycly gel batteries.
As I will go on a trip at the end of this month I look forward to give the "ChargeSwap" a good test.
Hendo1944
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help with this SS Charger...Please!
