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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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 Posted - 29/11/2008 : 02:32:59 AM
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Came across a self running motor on YouTube. Tried to contact the builder of the model, but he doesn't reply.
http://www.rod45103.com
I am trying to replicate this motor and the wiring is sort of hard to figure out. I am using a small 12v motor with 8 neo magnets. I also use 6 small relay coils which are hooked up to a bridge rectifier at the opposite ends of the + & -. Each rectifier + terminal is joined as well as each - terminal. What suppose to happen is that the motor is started with a battery (12V) and once the revolutions have settled the current that the coils generate should drive the small 12v motor.
Well it is not happening.....I wonder if anyone else has tried to build this motor and had success. I would like to hear from you, as I have studied his video time after time and can't seem to see what I am doing wrong.
hendo1944
Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 29/11/2008 : 04:51:54 AM
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Hitachi vt120 well that’s what it looks like to me. I do have about 5 of them. This is what i can see and make out on the video.
 Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2008 : 12:20:44 AM
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Hi Daftman,
Thank you for your excellent schematic...it is much appreciated and is exactly what I had figured out and built. I am sad to report that the way it is, it will not work. The DC motor I am using is a fluid drive computer fan type, rated at 12v and uses 0.10amp.
I am using small 3/8" square ceramic magnets (8) with a 1/16" gap between the coils.
In the YouTube movie Rob must be using a battery to store the energy that the model generates, for in my test I noticed that when connected to a 12volt battery it will not lose any power, at least not the last few hours, so it is obviously storing the generated energy.
If you have any other ideas on how to make it work efficiently (without a battery or capacitors), could you please place something on this forum, so that I am able to give it a try!
This is the first time that I used bridge rectifiers and read heaps about them. The concept is great. If I could get the model to work correctly, I would build a larger model that would hopefully run a small generator attached.
Above are a couple of shots of my build, for those that are interested. I spend almost 8hours on this and it was a learning curve.
Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2008 : 03:29:29 AM
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At 0:40 on the video time clock there is a red item that looks like a small battery like the ones one would find in a car alarm fob the 12 volt version.(A bit like a watch battery.)
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2008 : 04:10:32 AM
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Thank you for that....I did notice this also and thought as much, that it is a battery of some description.
After some more tests, I had to put a 1n4001 diode on the positive loop of the bridge rectifier, as I found the voltage could not reach higher than 2.93v. Now it can steadily increase as it can only flow one way. I presume that this is correct. The only problem is that the voltage increase is less than what the motor consumes. I still find that the battery or capacitors slowly decrease...so at this stage I say it doesn't work.
My next attempt will be to replace the coils with air coils and use neo magnets. Hopefully this will generate more than 2.93v. If it does I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be able to charge a capacitor quicker than what the motor consumes and keep the motor running.
If you have any other ideas on how I can get more voltage out of this, please let me know. I have enjoyed the experiment!
Hendo1944
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2008 : 08:51:24 AM
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Well the next thing would be to ad more magnets 16 would be the best configuration.
At 0:06 on the video time clock there is 16 magnets.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2008 : 10:14:43 AM
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I was wondering if any TEEP members was interested in combining all are efforts in to one collective pot so to speak. Probably along the lines has above. I think you have the right motor hendo1944 and I think I have the right generator. I am prepared to do some kind of setout like below with all details. It don’t have to be any of my design’s, it can be any TEEP members design. Any takers?
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
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bart
Starting Member
Canada
6 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2008 : 3:04:38 PM
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hi teep luv to play, but getting ahead of myself ''lots'' I need to do the bedini myself so as i can get a hands on thing working on it right now actually bart ps hopeful for help thanks bart
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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rgbargee
New Member
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2008 : 3:03:10 PM
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hi teep im up for a self running generator, what did you have in mind - i was thinking neo magnets north south opposing , steel rotors for a deeper magnetic field (i was thinking car brake discs as they would be cheaper for those of us without metalworking machines but the size would differ from your diagram) , MDF stator 50 turns of 18 guage on each coil, would that little motor turn it if it was balanced right or am i too heavy should i be lookin for a servo motor , however it pans out im up for it mdf rotors or steel but id need to source a motor to suit.etc etc.
If we can decide on a design ill give it a go 
One question to Hendo and Teep or anyone  why does the self runner above use a Bridge at each coil , i thought the whole reason the network used AC was because it travelled through wire better, given that shouldnt we keep ac as long as poss and feed it into dc just before the motor. |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2008 : 5:44:54 PM
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Thank you for your interest....the reason I built this so called self runner, to see if it worked and followed a YouTube video to the best of my effort. I didn't want to change anything at that point, just get it to run. Using a 12v battery made it run OK, however the charge that it generated was not enough to keep it going, so I would need to beef up the coils and hopefully generated more power. What you say to keep AC until just before going into the DC motor makes sense and I will try it out. Thanks for the tip.
hendo1944
http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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Originally posted by rgbargee
hi teep im up for a self running generator, what did you have in mind - i was thinking neo magnets north south opposing , steel rotors for a deeper magnetic field (i was thinking car brake discs as they would be cheaper for those of us without metalworking machines but the size would differ from your diagram) , MDF stator 50 turns of 18 guage on each coil, would that little motor turn it if it was balanced right or am i too heavy should i be lookin for a servo motor , however it pans out im up for it mdf rotors or steel but id need to source a motor to suit.etc etc.
If we can decide on a design ill give it a go
One question to Hendo and Teep or anyone why does the self runner above use a Bridge at each coil , i thought the whole reason the network used AC was because it travelled through wire better, given that shouldnt we keep ac as long as poss and feed it into dc just before the motor.
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at; http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2008 : 1:22:28 PM
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Originally posted by teep
I was wondering if any TEEP members was interested in combining all are efforts in to one collective pot so to speak. Probably along the lines has above. I think you have the right motor hendo1944 and I think I have the right generator. I am prepared to do some kind of setout like below with all details. It don’t have to be any of my design’s, it can be any TEEP members design. Any takers?
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theDaftman
I'd be up for that, an open-source community project, and I perhaps have
some ideas for that as well. What we need is a highly efficient motor
arrangement and a low-drag high output (anti-LENZ) generator. I also
have some ideas for magnetic field interactions that use ZPE possibly.
I've only found small bits of "my theory" on the web. so if anyone has
any info on how to protect your invention rights while going open-source
I'd really like to find out, but as it is, my progress is slow and
even a "BRILLIANT" idea needs help! (Assuming it is a good idea!) ;)
...just an Electrician! Since 1985...
PS: Nice work Hendo!
I saw that video, but it seems too simplistic to work, however,
bifilar coils could be used instead? Just my $.02 worth :) |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2008 : 2:24:06 PM
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Thank you for your $0.02 worth...always nice to get compliments.
The purpose was to make a simple copy of the YouTube video, as the chap on the video advertised that he will sell you plans for $1.00, and after trying numerous times to contact him, never received a reply. So I decided what was on the video, should be enough to make a model. I found out that it didn't work....it produces only 3.68v which is not enough to run the fan motor. The only way is to increase the coils, so that the output will increase and possible air coils with neo magnets.
Anyway, the Daftman put a plan up with 12 generating coils and 24 magnets. I am keen to build this as it would do the job of powering my caravan I hope. Like you, I am keen to work on a project.
Thanks again for your feedback.
hendo1944
visit my playground --->http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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Originally posted by JustAnElectrician
quote:
Originally posted by teep
I was wondering if any TEEP members was interested in combining all are efforts in to one collective pot so to speak. Probably along the lines has above. I think you have the right motor hendo1944 and I think I have the right generator. I am prepared to do some kind of setout like below with all details. It don’t have to be any of my design’s, it can be any TEEP members design. Any takers?
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theDaftman
I'd be up for that, an open-source community project, and I perhaps have
some ideas for that as well. What we need is a highly efficient motor
arrangement and a low-drag high output (anti-LENZ) generator. I also
have some ideas for magnetic field interactions that use ZPE possibly.
I've only found small bits of "my theory" on the web. so if anyone has
any info on how to protect your invention rights while going open-source
I'd really like to find out, but as it is, my progress is slow and
even a "BRILLIANT" idea needs help! (Assuming it is a good idea!) ;)
...just an Electrician! Since 1985...
PS: Nice work Hendo!
I saw that video, but it seems too simplistic to work, however,
bifilar coils could be used instead? Just my $.02 worth :)
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at; http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 10:57:20 AM
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PPS: On this particular M/G design, unless the designer has some special un-named design
twist in there, I see no way that design can possibly work.
Linking 2 conventional "under-unity" designs does not Overunity make...
...just an Electrician! Since 1985... |
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2008 : 04:54:43 AM
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My slant on my proposed unit:
1: centrifugal forces.
2: speed governing.
3: generate more power than is needed.
4: run without batteries.
1: centrifugal forces.
The motor must be able to spin for some considerable time without any power but be still capable of generating.
See this video for explanation at about 6:56 on the time clock.
http://www.youtube.com/v/t1H6QsDPl54&hl=en&fs=1
2: speed governing.
Now I think Bedini worked on this at some point but not in the same configuration that I’m proposing.
The unit will need to climb to its max speed then disengage the power source and just free wheel, when the speed runs down to a set speed the power source is reconnected spinning it back up to the max and so on.
Now this is something I have not mentioned before about one of my set ups but if you see this video you will see my first attempt at a governor at work, you will need to view at around 2:11 on the time clock.
http://www.youtube.com/v/S96MjW-isXM&hl=en&fs=1
Now I didn’t go into it at all in this video, I just dismissed it as a bearing problem, I didn’t expect to do anymore experimenting in this field.
3: generate more power than is needed.
I’m not thinking of running anything external of the proposed unit at this point just small excess to light up an LED on top of the unit to demonstrate it’s generating power.
4: run without batteries.
It just seems to me if one uses any kind of battery in this kind of unit it gets dismissed as a fake. My take on all this is, if the unit runs like one is purporting it to it don’t need batteries.
Please no theory on capacitors.
In my quick diagram above you see a conventional motor that was just an illustration I would like to use a pulse motor maybe like the one in this video but without the generating side. It simple very fast and will run from 6v to 24v.
http://www.youtube.com/v/t1H6QsDPl54&hl=en&fs=1
So if anyone is still interested in the proposed group build please let me know. I will do some plans of some kind. I’m not promising all will work straight off, or that it will work at all after all this is an experiment.
It will work but to what degree I don’t know until one is built. All I can say I have successfully proven generators and the same for motors. Right the next thing I would want to set this all out with the minimal amount of materials so most can have a go at building. The unit must be able to be built and run on a small kitchen type table. So not massive I am keeping in mind that some builders or looking to use something like this for charging batteries for there own applications that is a one of the reasons for the excess power. I know LED power wouldn’t be of any use that was just an outline.
So my set out and materials. Well like all plans you can use what you have to hand, wood, plastic, metal. The only thing one would have to watch is phosphorus metals in other words if a magnet sticks to it its no good for this unit except for some key parts, I will explain more on this at some point.
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rgbargee
New Member
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2008 : 5:13:20 PM
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Im absoluteley up for it, i was already looking at the stator to reduce drag and cogging and increase flywheel effect as below
but i think ill build one to your plans first to get up and running.i can always experiment with rotors and stators later as we progress to improvements i really want to build that motor. Also a friend of mine built me a circuit that senses shaft speed and switches a relay at a given speed i havent had chance to use it yet,ive currently had him set it for 470 rpm ( i was going to use it to switch from star to delta in strong winds on a turbine) but im sure he can adjust it but ill build a new one to keep to the project before experimenting . I better blow the dust off my woodworking tools in readiness |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
123 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2008 : 6:02:06 PM
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Thank you Daftman for trying to put this together. I would be very interested in a project like that and as you know have been trying this on a small scale already without much success I may add.
I like the idea of a flywheel that gets up to speed and than turns the small motor off, but still keeps generating. No doubt you would re-engage the motor when the voltage drops to a certain level. A 12 coil system with a 8" stainless flywheel and using 3/4" neo magnets staggered at north/south intervals along with 12 coils 26swg (300 turns?), either air or solid core, should produce a nominal voltage to run a small 12v DC motor to drive the flywheel and have sufficient power left to charge large batteries.
I look forward to see some of your plans for this.
Hendo1944
View some of my projects at; http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2008 : 12:03:43 PM
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I have started putting together some working plans but had to stop just for now as we have just had a sudden death in the household and I am having to attend to all the proceedings.
Sorry for the delay in putting together the plans.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theDaftman |
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 18/12/2008 : 6:58:49 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by teep
I have started putting together some working plans but had to stop just for now as we have just had a sudden death in the household and I am having to attend to all the proceedings.
Sorry for the delay in putting together the plans.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theDaftman
Take your time, my friend... I think I speak for all of us.
Besides, once again, you have come up with a very well thought
out and complex arrangement that I must take some time to study!
I will learn it as well as I can and see if I can make some
semi-intelligent suggestions or possibly help refine it.
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 18/12/2008 : 7:01:17 PM
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PS: Perhaps my original ideas and some of the other things I have found
can help, a flywheel driven generator would be perfect for a low-drag
reduced HP input generator!
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter11.pdf
Top of page 28 is the pic, it's .pdf so I cannot show it here :(
Check this link, it's way down there but they use a combo of air core
and iron core coils... they show all air cores on 1 side, and iron on
the other. It's also a monopole design, but if one alternated the air
and iron cores (every other one) then it might work better as well.
Air cores deliver a polarity inversion compared to iron cores, so
another twist would be to use a bipolar magnet setup and get something
else altogether. Variation of the Butch LaFonte motor / generator.
Perfect for TEEP's first flywheel design possibly? |
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teep
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
347 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 03:51:14 AM
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Just to let you all know I haven’t forgot about this forum project it’s just that I need to setout everything in full before posting just to make sure it all fits together.
Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theDaftman |
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hendo1944
Senior Member
Australia
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 24/01/2009 : 09:39:33 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by JustAnElectrician
PS: Perhaps my original ideas and some of the other things I have found
can help, a flywheel driven generator would be perfect for a low-drag
reduced HP input generator!
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter11.pdf
Top of page 28 is the pic, it's .pdf so I cannot show it here :(
Check this link, it's way down there but they use a combo of air core
and iron core coils... they show all air cores on 1 side, and iron on
the other. It's also a monopole design, but if one alternated the air
and iron cores (every other one) then it might work better as well.
Air cores deliver a polarity inversion compared to iron cores, so
another twist would be to use a bipolar magnet setup and get something
else altogether. Variation of the Butch LaFonte motor / generator.
Perfect for TEEP's first flywheel design possibly?
Attempting to upload my slant on Daftman's drawing, RE: the above self-quoted post...
The magnet and pickup coil @ 9:00 position is left out for clarity, it would be an iron core (black).
...just an Electrician! Since 1985... |
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rgbargee
New Member
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 24/01/2009 : 12:36:02 PM
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| re soukup motor - i wonder why the generating coils are wired parallel to the path of the magnets instead of across as you would normally, anti cogging maybe but they would be quite low voltage i suspect what does every one else think about the soukup design. i understand v gates can be notoriously difficult to get right? |
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rgbargee
New Member
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 24/01/2009 : 12:38:48 PM
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| has anyone on the forum had a go at a rotoverter , was thinking it would make a nice efficient primary mover for the self running generator, they seem to need quite low current once running |
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JustAnElectrician
Advanced Member
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 24/01/2009 : 1:18:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by rgbargee
has anyone on the forum had a go at a rotoverter , was thinking it would make a nice efficient primary mover for the self running generator, they seem to need quite low current once running
That is very compelling, "electricians*" have done this for years on a
partial basis, we know of running 3 phase motors on single phase sources
but the reduced current and OU implications are exciting!
I once did an "ADD-A-PHASE" style transformer hookup so a factory rep
could do his testing, and what did it get me? LAID OFF because I had
made my foreman look bad by being a young hot-shot (more than once  )
SEE UPDATED PICTURE 3 posts above, Y'all!
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