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Topic author: theremart
Subject: Solid State Bedini.
Posted on: 06/08/2008 11:06:52 PM
Message:

Just about got this wrapped up I hope... still not getting the wave I want, but getting closer.



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Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 07/10/2008 11:35:36 PM
Message:

I have now had some success with my Solid State Bedini. I found that I had on my first try mis wired the 555 timer :( but now that I have redone it, I have a used 12 amp hour battery giving me 13.5 amp hours ( tested with my computer load tester ) Below are the improvements I am seeing in 3 batteries. I am now testing this on some LARGE semi batteries and golf cart batteries, I am not sure if it will have enough power to charge them but I am seeing the voltage rise. Time will tell if they load test better.



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Reply author: hendo1944
Replied on: 08/10/2008 03:16:05 AM
Message:

Sounds like you having some real success....would you be willing to share this information as I would like to give it a go!
My electronic knowledge is very limited, but I am willing to learn and have a go.

I have build a Bedini and also a Newman and both are working well. I am also new to this forum and really enjoy reading all the topics.

I came across a very interesting idea on YouTube...have you seen it?



I would be interested to know more about this!

Thank you for the information...

hendo1944


Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 09/10/2008 5:29:34 PM
Message:

Well, I am afraid the the schematic that I have I cannot share. It comes from Bedini's book "Free Energy Generation". But that is where I got the schematic.

Yes I did see that video, but I am too scared of microwave coils to get around them :)

But if you watch my videos I do share what I do find with my adventures...

Mart

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Reply author: hendo1944
Replied on: 10/10/2008 11:17:54 PM
Message:

Thank you Mart...I have the Free Energy Generation (Circuits & Schematics 2nd edition 2006) but it shows no details on a solid state Bedini circuit. There must of been another book....maybe you could give me details of your book, like the ISBN number?
I have studied your videos many times, but I lack the confidence to attempt such a major project, as I am only a novice and wish to get something like this for my caravan, rather than solar.

hendo1944
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quote:
Originally posted by theremart

Well, I am afraid the the schematic that I have I cannot share. It comes from Bedini's book "Free Energy Generation". But that is where I got the schematic.

Yes I did see that video, but I am too scared of microwave coils to get around them :)

But if you watch my videos I do share what I do find with my adventures...

Mart

See my playground here --> www.youtube.com/marthale7


Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 11/10/2008 9:23:24 PM
Message:

Shoot me an email then if you have the book halemart[red]"at"[/red]hotmail.com. There is a solid state device you will find on page 46 ( notice there is no wheel ). You have the same book I do.

The insert they send corrects some problems, but you must switch pins 4 and 5 on the Opto to get it to work. They have it correctly hooked up on page 47 of the book for the opto.


Imhotep on youtube has just released a VERY simple circuit that does some solid state like charging that uses a relay. I have just built it, and it seems like a winner. Still in the testing stages.

Cheers!





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Reply author: Lidmotor
Replied on: 12/10/2008 10:31:12 PM
Message:

Hi, I have not posted anything on the forum for awhile because I have been busy on another project. This new Imhotep charger that Mart mentioned works and is so simple that it is almost silly. It is a 12V auto relay, a neon bulb, and a diode. The one that I built today draws less than 30 Milliamps and charges just like a Bedini. Build it in an hour or two. No transistor, no spinning magnets,no coil winding, no tuning, simple soldering,and Radio Shack parts. One drawback is that it is noisy. Sounds like a buzzer. You have to sound proof it some way. It is a great way to see the BEMF phenomenon in a hurry.


Lidmotor


Reply author: hendo1944
Replied on: 14/10/2008 05:30:30 AM
Message:

Hi Lidmotor,
Thank you for putting this up....the video certainly looks easy to understand. The schematics are very blurry and I tried to copy them and sharpen them but with not much luck.
Could I impose on you to maybe place a clear schematic showing the pin numbers and and diode (1N4007), neon (only have 90v one) please. I would like to try it and will tomorrow try and buy a Bosh relay as suggested.
Thank you in anticipation, look forward to building this, as I have very little knowledge of electronics.
Regards,
hendo1944
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quote:
Originally posted by Lidmotor

Hi, I have not posted anything on the forum for awhile because I have been busy on another project. This new Imhotep charger that Mart mentioned works and is so simple that it is almost silly. It is a 12V auto relay, a neon bulb, and a diode. The one that I built today draws less than 30 Milliamps and charges just like a Bedini. Build it in an hour or two. No transistor, no spinning magnets,no coil winding, no tuning, simple soldering,and Radio Shack parts. One drawback is that it is noisy. Sounds like a buzzer. You have to sound proof it some way. It is a great way to see the BEMF phenomenon in a hurry.

Lidmotor


Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 14/10/2008 4:47:27 PM
Message:

Here is a pic



I as well need help with this Lid, I did have mine going but I must of did something wrong, I would like to compare notes, I am not sure where the wires go. I would like to copy what you have done.

Thanks!

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Reply author: Lidmotor
Replied on: 15/10/2008 10:42:52 AM
Message:

Hi,
Here a video of my Imhotep Relay Charger replication. This should answer some of your questions.


Lidmotor


Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 15/10/2008 5:48:49 PM
Message:

1. Purchase a 275-0001 automotive relay from Radio Shack, an neon, a diode ( I used 4007 )


Steps to build Imhotep relay charger.
1. Gently pry off the case helps to work one side then the other to get the catches loose.
2. Scratch the surface as point out in the video then solder the wire to the now scratched surface. Then notch the case this will allow room for the wire to come out. Close up the case.
3. The wire you just added goes to primary negative of the source battery.
4. Connect the neon one side to connector 85 the other to 86.
5. Connect connector 30 of the relay to connector 85
6. Connect the Diode to Connector 85 this goes to Charge pos
7. Connect a wire to 86 goes to charge -
8. Bridge your batteries with a wire from charge - to Primary +

PREPARE FOR NOISE :)

Wrapping this unit up in a towel does help preserve sanity. ;)





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Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 20/12/2008 10:27:25 AM
Message:



Load test of 2 golf cart batteries charged with Solid State Bedini.

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Reply author: hendo1944
Replied on: 21/12/2008 04:20:51 AM
Message:

Hi Mart,

Very very impressed with your solid state setup....you seem to be doing where I want to go, but are way ahead of me. I am still trying to get my battery swapper to work and think I have found the problem....will know in the next few days. Thanks for all your help with this by the way.
I have been busy these last few days doing some contract work, but will be hard at it soon. I am also going to build a Bedini Fan motor and if that works well, as your video shows, will be converting a larger DC magnet motor to become a Bedini generator.
If this works and I can't see why not, will be putting a video on YouTube and share the outputs. Those Bedini Fan motors (Imhotep) are very interesting. I figure a motor with heavier coils will produce a greater voltage as well as current for fast charging.

Hendo1944
View some of my projects at; http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn


Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 21/12/2008 04:43:57 AM
Message:

Thank you Hendo,

The fun part when you go larger is the size of the spikes can eat a lot of electrical equipment fast. The fan was a fun project but that fine soldering was a killer :)

I am not that far ahead of you as you have far more skill than I on building quality projects. But I do like the way that we can all work as a team here sharing what we know and helping others to advance along the way.

Mart

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Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 21/12/2008 8:38:49 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by hendo1944
I have studied your videos many times, but I lack the confidence to attempt such a major project, as I am only a novice


Your skills are quite good, go for it John!
But for sure, get the tech data FIRST. It's
the only smart way to proceed.

...just an Electrician! Since 1985...


Reply author: hendo1944
Replied on: 02/01/2009 03:09:30 AM
Message:

Came across a very interesting article about solid state generators:
http://www.weareonline.com.au/freeenergy/index.php?page=11
I am sure you will find this very interesting just as I did.
Would be nice to build something like that....maybe soon!

Hendo1944
View some of my projects at; http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn


Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 02/01/2009 8:37:44 PM
Message:

Thanks for sharing that hendo, looked too complicated for me :)

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Reply author: hendo1944
Replied on: 03/01/2009 04:46:20 AM
Message:

It is interesting reading....I agree it is complicated, but who knows down the track a bit....? Ideas start somewhere!
I like your solid state system and you mentioned in the movie you got the idea from the energetic forum? Also noticed you use other coils (air coils) and by the looks of things you have a circuit for each one. I certainly would like to know more about this charger and look forward to see your final results with the inverter/crockpot test.
As you know, I have build the Bedini solid state charger and was rather disappointed with the output...so maybe your system is a solution for me. Can you share with me and maybe others where we can obtain the schematics?

quote:
Originally posted by theremart

Thanks for sharing that hendo, looked too complicated for me :)

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Hendo1944
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Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 03/01/2009 08:52:42 AM
Message:

Well I am very impressed with the results, I am now putting the finishing touches on the setup, I have ordered 1000 feet of 18 gauge speaker wire. I have found using speaker wire has allowed my transistors to stay much cooler than if I use magnet wire. Yes I will share the schematic, you will not believe how simple this one is. This is the circuit I have been looking for as it is simple, and man does it ever work. You need heafty resistors like 25W.

I am still learning the best way to set this up...

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Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 03/01/2009 09:00:45 AM
Message:



This circuit belongs to Jetijs from energetic forum ( Sub board Solid State ), he has been a real dynamo of ideas that work. His batteries have greatly improved using this, I have not put as many amps in as he has to his circuit, but soon I may...



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Reply author: hendo1944
Replied on: 04/01/2009 4:44:35 PM
Message:

Thank you theremart....I have been reading Jetijs with interest on the Energetic forum site....he does some great work and he likes to share his ideas, which is also great to see.
When you get some figures done, using your crockpot, please list them on TEEP....I will give it a try in the near future.

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quote:
Originally posted by theremart



This circuit belongs to Jetijs from energetic forum ( Sub board Solid State ), he has been a real dynamo of ideas that work. His batteries have greatly improved using this, I have not put as many amps in as he has to his circuit, but soon I may...



See my playground here --> www.youtube.com/marthale7



Hendo1944
View some of my projects at: http://au.youtube.com/hendojohn


Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 25/01/2009 07:06:05 AM
Message:

I have been improving my Jetjis SS Bedini.

Well instead of having just one laptop power supply powering my charger I went to a second one splitting my 10 transistors in to two sets of 5. I then simply put both outputs to the charging battery. I am using two laptop power supplies for the primary power one at 20V 2.5 amps and the other at 20V 3 amps. I am very impressed with the results this is the fastest charge to date of my golf cart batteries. The two 6 volt golf cart batteries were both fully charged in 1.46 days. This sure beats the old 5 day method I used to use.




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Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 02/03/2009 8:56:28 PM
Message:



Net gain went from 63 amp hours to 77 amp hours after 7 cycles. In this chart is both the charge and the load test of 11 amps to two golf cart batteries. Input was two laptop power supplies at 20V 3amp and 20V 2 amp. Very happy with results.

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Reply author: theremart
Replied on: 15/03/2009 3:59:17 PM
Message:



Latest results from the Jetijs setup..

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 09/03/2011 8:54:34 PM
Message:

Hi all
Well with all the topics being slow I thought I would share what I have been up to for some time. A four transistor solid state bedini like Theremart had built and showed us. As he said it works very well but I didn't like using the 25watt resistors on the trigger. So I went back to the basic ss bedini set up to get rid of the wasted heat in a few areas. I built mine with 23ga. 500 turns one trigger and four trans winds. This is very cheep to build. The trans were $1.00 on ebay and wire from comp monitor is free. The whole thing cost me under $10.00 with all the parts. After running it for a while I had to change the connecting wire to a larger ga and used larger batt. clamps. This helped a lot. As small as this unit is, it charges a 100 AH batt in 30 to 36 hrs which is really good. However, when I went for a larger AH batt. like 125 AH it got slow and when I hooked it up to a bigger bank 250AH it was a joke. So next I built a 20 transistor and it is working very well on the 250 AH bank. But, there is always a but, when I hooked it to a 500 AH bank it was back to 5 days to hit 15 volts. With that in mind, I have my next coil wound up and will put it on this weekend. I am also charging from my solar bank. That way I don't plug into the grid and waste money to charge my toys. The goal is to have a second set of batts. and to make bank 2 and a charger to charge about a 1000 AH bank. I think it will take a total of maybe 50 to 60 trans. to do the job. I believe solid state is better than a wheel for charging because Mr. Bedini used 80 transistors for his wheel to charge a big bank. I think I can do it for 60 transistors on solid state. This is more than I said in a year so I will be off here and watch.
Thanks for reading Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 11/03/2011 6:27:41 PM
Message:

HERE are pic of the 2 soild states I built





This is very easy to build and getting good results from both of them and again very cheep compaired to the cost of a 10 coiler.

Thanks Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 12/03/2011 05:28:06 AM
Message:

Hi Doug,

I am working on a 5 transistor version with very similar circuit where the trigger coil is connect to the generator coil instead of ground. Is this the same circuit that you are using? My circuit draws 200-300ma at the moment, how much currrent does the 20 trans draws?


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 12/03/2011 12:59:49 PM
Message:

Hi shadowless

I never tryed to hook the trigger to the gen coil. The 20 trans draws about 1.2 amps at its lowest I am running it at 4.4 to 4.7. The amps very batty to batty. The big thing for me is that all runs cold only 10 degrees over ambient temp at the big amps. This will charge 250 ah bank like it is.
Hope this helps

Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 12/03/2011 2:23:11 PM
Message:

Wow Doug, thats pretty impressive. For me, this resembles Poppy's multi tranny Bedini. Is there a simularity in the circuitry?

"caveman at a Tesla convention"


Reply author: fan1701
Replied on: 12/03/2011 2:27:42 PM
Message:

at49er : That is a an awesome unit. My brother and I have been talking solid state units for a while. Excellent!


al

The secret to free energy is that it is not free and there is no secret. You must provide a source , but the result can be more than you provided.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 12/03/2011 3:42:25 PM
Message:

Hi Vern

Poppy's unit is a motor and solid state is close but you cant link the gen coils in series. You link the trigger to all trans with a base resistors. That makes them all fire at one time like a magnet passing over the coil on a motor but it has the perfect timing to as many coils or trans as you can use. That is what makes it so good but you also don't any mechanical so if you need that you need a motor. This is also what makes this a lot cheaper build with 2n3055 trans on ebay under a $1. The coils can be as theremart has demoed big air coils and he even used speaker wire! My little 4 was built with 23ga 500 turns virus 120' of 20ga for the 20 trans unit so I feel the little one would work better with 200' 23ga IMO.

Hope this helps

Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 12/03/2011 3:52:50 PM
Message:

Hi Al
I think if you build a small on first (proof of concept) that you will like it very much. I like mine very much and it a lot easer with the mechanical to deal with.

Glad you liked it

thanks Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 12/03/2011 11:05:28 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi shadowless

I never tryed to hook the trigger to the gen coil. The 20 trans draws about 1.2 amps at its lowest I am running it at 4.4 to 4.7. The amps very batty to batty. The big thing for me is that all runs cold only 10 degrees over ambient temp at the big amps. This will charge 250 ah bank like it is.
Hope this helps

Doug




Trigger to gen coil is in one of the patent. Allows charging to occur at lower voltage ie solar panel input. Can you share the difference between the 20 trans and the small one in terms of amp draw? 4.4 is quite a lot, is that the sweet spot for that battery bank?

Does a shorter coil increase the amp draw as well?

Cheers


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 12/03/2011 11:40:14 PM
Message:

Hi Shadowless
I have not seen the patent that you have looked at. I can not even guess at it so the small one is struggling at a 100 hr batt. what I am saying is it is not big enough for anything above that.
If I push it harder it will start to heat very quickly. This is the reason to go to the 20 trans it charges 250 ah very well and no heat. At 500ah and pushing it to 5 amps still no heat but it drops out of oscillation so I leave it at a max of 4.7 and no drop out.

Hope this helps.

THANKS Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 13/03/2011 5:39:03 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi Shadowless
I have not seen the patent that you have looked at. I can not even guess at it so the small one is struggling at a 100 hr batt. what I am saying is it is not big enough for anything above that.
If I push it harder it will start to heat very quickly. This is the reason to go to the 20 trans it charges 250 ah very well and no heat. At 500ah and pushing it to 5 amps still no heat but it drops out of oscillation so I leave it at a max of 4.7 and no drop out.

Hope this helps.

THANKS Doug




Cool :) Are the coil air cored? Does the 2 coils of 10+11 wires tied together like this works well or would you preferred everything in one coil? Do they need to be side by side to make it works better?

I have 32 trans connected to 4 coils on my 4 poles monopole that i could convert to ss, it would be easier if i don't have to combine the coil into one.

This is the patent:pat U.S. Pub 20080129250 check it out. small modification to your setup to get it converted.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 13/03/2011 6:46:51 PM
Message:

Hi Shadowless

Go to page 1 of this topic and look for theremart diagram of the circuit that I am using with a small change. Also tell me in your coils wire size and length per each. If you could post a copy of the patent uspo would not let me see it. That way we can talk apples to apples.

Thanks Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 13/03/2011 10:49:13 PM
Message:

Hi all
Here is a couple new pic. on my way to 3 coils and 30 transistors.




Enjoy and have fun!

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 13/03/2011 11:21:15 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi all
Here is a couple new pic. on my way to 3 coils and 30 transistors.


Doug


http://www.janewaypatentlaw.com/pdf/U.S.%20Pub%2020080129250.pdf

my coil is 06x200ft 22awg for the the above circuit. I am using 5w resistor for the trigger.

other coils on the monopoles are 8X200ft 26awg.

Is that blue thing a fuse?

How did you get rid of the heat in the trigger resistor, what is the concept of fine tuning that circuit?


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 14/03/2011 01:08:49 AM
Message:

Hi Shadowless
The patent info is very interesting I will have to chew on that for a couple of days Thanks it is good. 1> yes the blue is a 15 amp quick blow fuse on input and 10 amp on exit red one. The 4 trans has the same circuit as fig 4 resistors 74,76,78 and the diode across the b&e of the trans. That keep the heat down in the 4 trans unit IMO. When I built the twenty T I did not use two of the resistors but did use the base resistor and that keeps the heat down I think by not letting over oscillates to make a lot of heat. This is the problem that theremart had with his build. This is why I am building a thirty trans unit, should give me 6 to 7 amps and no heat. I am using in series 2 100 ohm 1watt and the 1/2 watt base resistors are the secret to no heat and 4+ amps. Your coils sounds like they will work great. I think if you use a extra base resistor on each 26ga to make the base resistor on the 22ga like around 100 ohms and then add extra base on the 26ga to equal to the 22ga w/ the 100 ohms.

Hope it helps

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 14/03/2011 04:09:23 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi Shadowless
The patent info is very interesting I will have to chew on that for a couple of days Thanks it is good. 1> yes the blue is a 15 amp quick blow fuse on input and 10 amp on exit red one. The 4 trans has the same circuit as fig 4 resistors 74,76,78 and the diode across the b&e of the trans. That keep the heat down in the 4 trans unit IMO. When I built the twenty T I did not use two of the resistors but did use the base resistor and that keeps the heat down I think by not letting over oscillates to make a lot of heat. This is the problem that theremart had with his build. This is why I am building a thirty trans unit, should give me 6 to 7 amps and no heat. I am using in series 2 100 ohm 1watt and the 1/2 watt base resistors are the secret to no heat and 4+ amps. Your coils sounds like they will work great. I think if you use a extra base resistor on each 26ga to make the base resistor on the 22ga like around 100 ohms and then add extra base on the 26ga to equal to the 22ga w/ the 100 ohms.

Hope it helps

Doug




How do you estimate the size of the fuse?

busy soldiering the solar cells for my power input. Did you find any useful charge control circuit?


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 14/03/2011 2:08:54 PM
Message:

Hi shodowless
I just had 10 amp on hand and after I blew two all my fault and ran out so went to a 15. I thought Min of 5 amp but the circuit will be running above 5 so I will stick with 10's.
I will look hard today at the patent, I think there will be two circuits one rejuvenate and one solar charger.

Thanks Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 15/03/2011 06:08:49 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi shodowless
I just had 10 amp on hand and after I blew two all my fault and ran out so went to a 15. I thought Min of 5 amp but the circuit will be running above 5 so I will stick with 10's.
I will look hard today at the patent, I think there will be two circuits one rejuvenate and one solar charger.

Thanks Doug



Hi, what make you think there are 2 circuits? Fig 3 is a solar charger. Which is for rejuvenate? Isn't rejuvenate about the oscillation frequency?

Cheers


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/03/2011 10:38:23 PM
Message:

Hi Shadowless

The difference between fig 3 and the ones I built is as you said in the beginning, the coil is run with the gen coils. I run my solar into the batt bank and then run the ss from that bank to the other bank. Fig 3 and 5 are run direct off the panels to the SS which has low power and high power. (oo35) points this out also (oo36) on page 3 says it best. I need to make a proof of concept unit with a 15 watt panel and see how it works.

Almost have the 30 trans done so back to work.

Thanks Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 17/03/2011 12:21:19 AM
Message:

Hi all
Well there is new pic of the 3coil 30 transistor unit up and running. hooked it up to a new batt bank I collected and it was charging 5.5 amps and still running very cool. Need a few more resistors to be at its sweet spot.



have fun
Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 18/03/2011 12:25:21 AM
Message:

Hi All

I just finished up the solar/wind solid state unit and it works sweet. Tested it on my little wind gen. it was only putting out under 2 amps but the batt started to come up slow but steady and when the wind slowed down the SS worked as advertised. It was a little more them I had plained for, but built from old bedini parts and 2X4. Its a 2 coil 3 transistor one coil 26/23 ga 850 turns the other coil 26/23 ga 3289 turns. Large difference just to prove it will work with anything you have. It doesn't look pretty but it works. Here is a couple of pic.

Enjoy






Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 18/03/2011 6:02:23 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi All

I just finished up the solar/wind solid state unit and it works sweet. Tested it on my little wind gen. it was only putting out under 2 amps but the batt started to come up slow but steady and when the wind slowed down the SS worked as advertised. It was a little more them I had plained for, but built from old bedini parts and 2X4. Its a 2 coil 3 transistor one coil 26/23 ga 850 turns the other coil 26/23 ga 3289 turns. Large difference just to prove it will work with anything you have. It doesn't look pretty but it works. Here is a couple of pic.


Doug



Hi, are both the trigger wire working at the same time? Does it means that the 2 coils are oscillating at different frequency?

I wonder why my 7 transistor version only draw 300-400ma at the sweet spot(when the bulb in series to the resistor lights up) when u can make it draw 1A?

I thought it was my 22awg 200" coil but since you are using 23awg coil that throws me off.


Reply author: fan1701
Replied on: 18/03/2011 6:29:45 PM
Message:

Hi 49er. I love that 30 circuit machine. Is it tuned as a SSG is ? Are you desulfating and conditioning old batteries? I would love to here more if you have the time. Thanks.

al

The secret to free energy is that it is not free and there is no secret. You must provide a source , but the result can be more than you provided.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 19/03/2011 12:06:18 AM
Message:

Hi Shadowless

Two things, is your coil 22ga 200 in" or 200 ft' (2) can you put up a pic of your unit and is it SS.

Thanks
Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 19/03/2011 12:18:33 AM
Message:

Hi Al

The 30 trans is a solid state and yes it reconditions batt and does work very well. In a previous pic I posted I showed a 500AH bank 2 and a 445AH batt bank 3 it is charging them on problem.

The circuit is almost the same as a ssg but a little different with resistors and diode placement, Battery hookup is the same.

Hope it helps

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 19/03/2011 03:47:11 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi Shadowless

Two things, is your coil 22ga 200 in" or 200 ft' (2) can you put up a pic of your unit and is it SS.

Thanks
Doug




Sorry it is 7x22awg 200', my mistake. I use a 26awg for trigger.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 19/03/2011 2:08:03 PM
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Hi Shadowless

Are your transistors insulated from the alum rail? I see a extra diode on trans 6 & 7 ?? It should do fine looks very clean.

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 19/03/2011 4:47:07 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi Shadowless

Are your transistors insulated from the alum rail? I see a extra diode on trans 6 & 7 ?? It should do fine looks very clean.

Doug


have a tape insulation on the collector plate. i just wonder how to make it charge faster. I think the answer is in the coil of shorter length and thicker grade but your 3 trans 2 coil version comes up with different result. Is that one running warm?


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 19/03/2011 6:27:51 PM
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Hi Shadowless

My 4 trans work real well. It is a bedini style hookup with the trigger to the - run batt. Are you running yours on solar only or power supply/run batt? The front of yours is the same as my 4 with the three resistors and that makes it self oscillate. What are you using for base resistors?

WE will take it one steep at a time. Get it to work like you want and then build bigger.

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 20/03/2011 05:35:09 AM
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Running on power supply at the moment, waiting for capacitors before i can hook up to the solar panel.

I am in the process of making a 120' 22awg coil to test the amp draw for shorter wires.

The resistors for the one i posted was 10k, 20k (similar to most standard ss) and 5K+bulb to the trigger. It works well for charing small 5ah battery but now i am look to charge car batteries and it is very slow...probably will be back to a few days again.

I have seen version using 18awg 100' that take in more from front end and charges higher capacity battery faster. I am trying to figure out the effect of shorter wires and if there is a need to go thicker to make it work better.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 20/03/2011 2:49:48 PM
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Hi Shadowless

I am having second thoughts on the 3 trans unit. yesterday the small batt would not take any more charge or take 2 weeks to charge.
With that in mind I think I will wind a 23ga coil 200' 5 strand.
I have not seen your circuit with caps on the front end with solar what does it look like? If you could post it please?

Have fun

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 21/03/2011 01:15:11 AM
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I wonder if you have set the resistance on the 3 trans too low to make it draw 1amp. Charging at lower frequency higher amp will increase the voltage artificially for my case.

I think a 200' 23 awg will work for 5ah type battery but anything bigger will need a different coil. I think the coil is the key for this circuit.

I don't have the caps yet.



Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 21/03/2011 1:29:05 PM
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Hi Shadowless

Last test I tried I took of the big coil because it keep heating up so I went to the 26/23ga 850 T but it still got warm and didn't charge well. This is why the next steep will be wind a coil with all same wire 200' 23ga. The little 4 tranny is all 23ga 500T and it works well but its not reverse trigger. Also I am gone to go with 3 pots for faster trim on the first tranny only.

Later
Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 22/03/2011 03:21:30 AM
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when the coil heats up the resistance is too low. Just tested the 120' 22awg coil today. It takes in more amp so the length will affect the amp draw definitely. If tuned too low(resistance) the coil heats up slightly so i have to back off a bit. Still testing to see how the charging goes.

200' 23awg coil will definitely be more efficient.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 22/03/2011 1:20:29 PM
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Hi Shadowless

I agree. I unwound the big coil and got ready to rewind but it wont quit raining so I can string the wire. Also that means no sun for the panel. back to batt to batt and will do some more testing today. I also changed my mind about lenght I will use 250' 23ga.
Thanks
Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 24/03/2011 12:33:18 AM
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i commend the DIY charger builders here =)

after building a good deal of different setups i tend to come to the conclusion you are just going to want a decent coil with a big input if you want to charge a large capacity battery like no tomorrow.. for the in between purposes, like what i usually need, charging 7aH or car batteries all the way down to smaller 9v's AA's or button cells, i have always found a simple one coil one transistor arrangement can be made that draws no more than 200mA and effectively charges the batteries at a good speed.
while its my general accepted opinion that a draw of at least an Amp is necessary to get the super fast charging done, like 90% of the time i find that a charger drawing between 200-300mA has no problem getting it done without taking days, and of course does not ruin the battery with heat, nor overheat the circuitry causing a general waste.

here is an example of the types of SS chargers i use that i find to be effective.



this charger just uses one mediocre air coil and i just have it setup so it can switch between different operations. regular charging, high voltage, and cap pulsing. i find that using the combination of the 3 in the right order usually restores most junk batteries i come across within a couple of days, and charges them up in less.
rather than create a high voltage potential using drive coils i just try to find a way to send my pulses into a step up transformer.. this gives the easy non damaging HV. lets say i wanted some dangerous HV well then i can just cap pulse into the step up transformer for example. i also dont use B-C resistance because thats just a waste also and the oscillation can be easily kickstarted with a button should the circuit not want to kick on automatically.

oh yea.. and i forgot the most important part... the plan was to simply add terminals on the board that would parallel any additional coils with the first.. so technically u could find a really awesome coil somewhere and just plug it in.. boom there you go.. simple juice cranker.. the 2n3055 can handle 16 amps right? i'd think im safe no matter what, (unless of course i hook the batt up the wrong way, and send way too many amps through it and melt it sound familiar lol)

http://www.youtube.com/Magneticitist


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 02/04/2011 4:33:20 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi Shadowless

I agree. I unwound the big coil and got ready to rewind but it wont quit raining so I can string the wire. Also that means no sun for the panel. back to batt to batt and will do some more testing today. I also changed my mind about lenght I will use 250' 23ga.
Thanks
Doug



I realised that the length of coil does affect the amp draw but thinner wire does not work well when the length is too short as it gets heated up easily.

Managed to increased the amp draw with a lower base resistance setting, still studying the effect fo the setup as i am not sure how it charges.

I do suppose the 20-30 trans that you did will be charging better than a 5 trans thick wire setup.




Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 02/04/2011 6:40:38 PM
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Hi Shadowless

I did a lot of testing on fig.4 and had not much luck with 1 or 3 trannys so I went to fig3 and had some good luck but that was with my 26/23 coil. I got large resistance on res-68 (9000)+ and ran cold on the coil and 84-86 F on temp for the tranny. !/2 watt res cold pulling 130-140 ma. So I will wind 2 coils 1-5 tranny single wire 23ga/250' and 1-5 tranny double wire 23ga/250' in Lutz config. Just a new idea to get the ohms down and get more mass in the coil. I think fig5 is going to be the way to go also this was batt to batt 9ah each. After I make the single 5 then it will go strictly solar.

Having lots of fun but not if you listen to my wife HA HA
Also made another coil for the 30 so it will become a 40 tranny soon.

Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 06/04/2011 02:20:43 AM
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Hi Shadowless

I ran across your 7 filer on utube, it looked good and only 6/10 amp what is it charging amp hr batts up to? Have you run it on solar only yet??

Great job

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 06/04/2011 9:27:44 PM
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That was 0.6amp only...charging 800cca car battery.

Had some minor changes to the base resistor, change the 60ma bulb to 5w and added a 50w pot for tunning now, test it at 1.2amp and heat is within acceptable range(less than 32degreesC). I can easily push it to run at 2amp and even higher and the 12v 5w bulb doesn't even light.

The base resistors combo behave strange, for some battery the pot heat up but for another battery the branch resistors to each transistors heats up while other stay cool. Don't quite understand only heating occurs on certain resistors in this manner. I suppose the impedance of the charge battery have something to do with this.

I still wonder abt setup with trans vs thicker wire for running at the same amps, which would be charging better.

The sun has been rather shy this week. The inverted bedini does charge when the input is 6v, works all the way down to 1v.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 06/04/2011 10:57:16 PM
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Hi Shadowless

Glad to see that you have had your 7 on solar and it works well. Will like to hear when you have full sun. Look up on Utube for 4 pole Sr monopole it has in the beginning the hot pot problem and how to get around it.
Also does the unit self start with the sun???

Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 07/04/2011 01:16:13 AM
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Was watching the video earlier. 100w pot :)

Self start, really simple circuit. And you can probably convert your 40 trans by switching the tri wire connection.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 07/04/2011 1:05:59 PM
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Hi Shadowless

The 100 watt pot is not what I looked at it was the parell resistors that took the 1/2 the amps away from the pot. Yes the 100 ohm 100 watt pot would be nice but LOTT'S of $$$$$. just a parell resistor may help maby 2 or 3 watt - cheep!

I also see you went to 18ga wire, I will use that after the 60 is done that is 2 more coils away. That was my original plans just didn't lay a plan out big enough past the 30 tranny been working on it and I think I have it. The 60 will be finished with 20ga but have to get one more 11# coil from Ebay.

Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: shadowless
Replied on: 07/04/2011 2:53:11 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Hi Shadowless

The 100 watt pot is not what I looked at it was the parell resistors that took the 1/2 the amps away from the pot. Yes the 100 ohm 100 watt pot would be nice but LOTT'S of $$$$$. just a parell resistor may help maby 2 or 3 watt - cheep!

I also see you went to 18ga wire, I will use that after the 60 is done that is 2 more coils away. That was my original plans just didn't lay a plan out big enough past the 30 tranny been working on it and I think I have it. The 60 will be finished with 20ga but have to get one more 11# coil from Ebay.

Still having fun

Doug


60 trans, is that going to draw 10amps?
Are you doing the 10 filar coil manually...wow what a task. May be one day i will summon enough determination to make a 20 trans version. What trans are u using?

Do you think 26ga are too thin for this purpose?


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 07/04/2011 11:12:31 PM
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Hi Shadowless

Just came in from winding a 23ga 7 filar. Had to solder 3 pieces to make the trigger to 256' and 250 for the power wires but no joints.

On your 26ga wire if it is swg it is good for 250ma for a load. Your 18ga is good for 1.91 amps and my 20ga swg is good for 1.0 amps, the 23ga swg is good for 450 ma. So 6 X 450 = 2.7amps. My harbor set of 3X15 watts will be just right for my solar 6. I was going to make the thirty into a 60 but now I will shoot for 80 trannys that will be just 22# more of wire and back to Ebay for more trannys. There 2n3055 and last time i bought 20t for $15 and shipping so there real cheep. Bedinis' 10 coiler has 8 trannys per coil and mine has 10 per coil. Bedinis' trannys are mlj and 5.50 es and that adds up to more than I will have in my hole unit. As you herd the 4 pole Sr. was very very noisy and that is what my wife likes the most OOO no moving parts for the grand kids to get into. back to your 26ga I think would be good for small batts, depends on how many wires you can make (6 power wires to 1 tranny 6X250=1.5 amps) I think you could use easy 10 wires per.
Well my mouth runneth over so your turn..


Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: gatewurm
Replied on: 10/05/2011 02:26:14 AM
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Hello 49'er,
Thank you for the info and pictures that you provided in this thread. I was able to build a 3 tranz set-up from your instructions which for its size worked very well. So I went ahead and searched for grip of 2N3055's on google. I ordered 66 of them at a cost of only $31.00 with free shipping. The box arrived this morning so I built an 8 tranz 1 trigger for a nine-filier 18ga coil (all strands 108 feet and twisted together) that I had made for another project. and I want to let you know that the results were outstanding! This is definitely what I have been hoping to see in a charging system, I am very impressed.
I'll post snaps and stats right away.
Thanks,

G

We don't receive wisdom, we must each discover it for ourselves


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 10/05/2011 8:50:52 PM
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Hi Gatewurm
Glade to see you built a unit and they do work very well. I will give you all the help I can but I am on holiday for two more weeks and will only be on line once a day so it may be slow to answere. 66 trany's is a big unit so I will say PLAN PLAN PLAN. I only planed to thirty with my unit and I am planing to go to 60 if I can add a wing to a bigger base. I didn't plan but once not 3 plans ha ha. a couple of things to plan on is 8ga hookup wire and use eyelets on both ends, less mastakes and put a fast fuse on both ends saves on more mastakes. One more thing start with 1000 ohm 2watt resistor and 1000 ohm pot in series to start and work down to how ever low you can get it to work but dont go to low keep it so you hear it. If you have a herts meter I run about 2.1 htz any lower and I burn out a trany. When you get row of tranys with a trigger hooked up put a switch on it and make it work before you go on the switch is for the next set say 10 and a switch then 10 more and make it work. That will save trouble shooting all 66 at one time and you don't want to put 12 amps into a battery of to small ah that way you only use what you need.

Hope it helps

DOUG


Reply author: gatewurm
Replied on: 26/06/2011 04:34:24 AM
Message:

Hello 49er and thank you for all that excellent and very wise advice. I followed your suggestions as though they were instructions from a tech manual (after, of course, I had two minor failures because I hadn't read your post yet) And now, I am at a point where I'd really appreciate some more of your wisdom. I have a solar panel it's an "ARCO SOLAR PV M55" 55 WATT, 3.13 AMP,17.6 VOLTS.

Could you tell me how to hook it up to this system like you are doing with yours?

My hope is to set this up as a grid-tie system with two 12 volt battery banks. I have a 24 volt forklift battery pack that I split in half into two 12 volt systems.
here is the grid-tie inverter that I'm planning to use
http://www.neo-aerodynamic.com/GridTieInverter.html

Thanks again for your input,

G


"Pure Science and True Spirituality are ultimately the same thing; the methodical pursuit of truth not restricted to the knowledge we currently possess." don Miguel Ruiz MD


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 26/06/2011 3:05:32 PM
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Hi Gatewurm
Good to hear from you. Well wise advice I don't know. I use the kiss system so we will need to see what you have and what you need to run make your system work. Question's
1. how many amp hours in each batt bank?
2. do you have a pv controller?
3. do you have a inverter? If so how many watts?
4. what are you trying to run in the house? (watts)
5. how many amps does your ss use?

There will be many more ??

In may I went to the golf coarse and talked them into selling there
batts that they were going to trade in for core charge. I ended up with 59 T 105's and been using the SS 30T to get back to use full condition. I put 4 sets into the barn solar and charge 1 set at a time and I am working on 6 sets at this time. I charge 24/7 from the solar bank and discharge with head lights for minutes and record. Its a lot of work to keep up on and evaluate each batt. your turn.

Hope it helps

Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 11/07/2011 2:08:00 PM
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Hi all. Just an update on the SS30T. It's been rejuvenating batteries flawlessly. Since the last time I posted, I picked up an additional 16 batteries. I have been workiing on sorting them out. Big job! The SS30T runs 24/7. By doing so I have had to figure out a way of supplying power to it without using AC current. What I did was added a 100 watt solar panel to the barn solar system. It gives me 11 amps in full sun. I added 4 sets of cart batteries to the 3 sets that was normally there. The SS30T requires 5.4 amps, on average. The solar is charged during the daylight hours and will continue to run all night with this setup. This allows me to run 24/7. I finally worked out a system to match the batteries. I put them in pairs and used the SS to charge and used 3 car headlights to discharge. I do this in 24 hrs. increments.

Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 11/07/2011 3:59:46 PM
Message:

Hi 49er.
I read that car headlights discharge the batteries too quickly and do not meet the C20 discharge rate as suggested by Bedini.
Have you checked the discharge rates on the lights?

http://www.youtube.com/user/IrishDaveatTeepForum


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 12/07/2011 12:56:59 PM
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Hi Dave
I used the lighting book and it says that they use 5.03 amps per light and 3 of them would be 15.09 amps before line loss. C 20 rate is 22.5 amps so I have not hit than the top of the rate yet. If I am wrong please tell me.

Still having fun.


Doug


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 13/07/2011 11:13:39 AM
Message:

Hi 49er.
Sounds good - what is the amp hours on the battery?


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 13/07/2011 12:32:21 PM
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Hi Dave

T105 batts are 225 amp hrs each series pr makes them 450ah at 12v. with these I see the elect bill going down a Lott. Do you have any solar for you house??

Doug


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 13/07/2011 3:26:36 PM
Message:

Hi 49er.
You are using deep cycle?
I thought you were using car batteries, which would have had much smaller amp hours.

I have the solar panel that I made and another smaller panel that I bought for 20euros.
Both only give off a small charge, but keep batteries topped up.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 14/07/2011 01:50:20 AM
Message:

Hi Dave

yes the 75 T105 batts are golf cart deep cycle. May I ask if you are using your batt bank to run an inverter for your house or using batts for 12v light for same??? Have you recondition your bank??

Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 14/07/2011 7:49:35 PM
Message:

I mainly use the batteries for Bedini's and single relay chargers.
It has been a while since I used my inverter, as I record discharge rates with bulbs
I need to get some big Deep Cycles before I build a bank


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/07/2011 7:13:54 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I started my first solar with 2 T105's and a 100watt pv in the barn 10 yrs ago with 1500 watt inverter just to work the door opener. All that because they wanted $600 to run elect. to the barn and then also had to get a permit for building code. More money on top of more money but solar I can do what I want. Guess which way I went? ha ha Start small but use what you have. It will save you more money from your elect bill every month. I wasted all the power for 6 yrs before I woke up to the fact that I had a lot of power that was being wasted. You already have some batteries and an inverter. Just an extension cord from your inverter to your computer alone would save $$. Next add the tv. Just start. Lighting bulbs is fine but do something with your info you already have and see what you can save and when you learn what you save take that money and buy more batteries. Sorry to be so long winded. I got all my used batteries from the golf course. They were going to scrap them. Do you have something like that to get some deep cycle batteries from?? When your battery is charged and it is still daylight you can use that power stright of the solar to run any thing.

Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 16/07/2011 8:08:48 PM
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Hi All

The 12 extra transistors that will go on the ssac30 (solid state air coil) bedini will look like this.





This when done should give me about 7 amps input. More later.

Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 17/07/2011 11:47:21 AM
Message:

Hi 49er.
They brought in a law here that only allows companies with permits to collect batteries.
Businesses will no longer give their batteries to people without the them.
They now have to keep used batteries in locked cages before collection.

I am curious to see your ssac up and running :)

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 17/07/2011 2:54:11 PM
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Hi Dave

That is bad news about that law but maby you can think out side the box to quote CW. Go to them and explain that you are a mad scientist and need some deep cycle batteries for experting and would they trade with some of your batteries. They only need a number to account for. As long as you explain the great need for the recycle experiment they might help?? Can't hert to try. My buddy at my local used car lot lets me get 2 bad batteries for every one I rejuvenate for him which gives me more batteries. Just food for thought and keep trying.

Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 18/07/2011 12:47:23 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er
explain that you are a mad scientist and need some deep cycle batteries for experting


LOL.

I tried some scrapyards, but they very rarely come across DS batts.


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 14/08/2011 3:51:59 PM
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Hi All

This is my update for my 30 tranny to make it a 42 tranny. Worked hard to make it a test for the next steep of a 100 tranny 18ga unit. The 100 unit will have to be modular in smaller units so it can be made easy to make or work on. The size of the wire bundle led me to make the new 100 in smaller boards 12 is to big but I will fit this to the 30 to make it a 42. I just have to make time to take the 30 off line to put it together,because Iam reconditioning the 75 105's DC batteries. There taking a lot of time to sort out and match for the 4 new banks that they will make up.





Will try to put this together this week.

Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 15/08/2011 1:22:05 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I have just reread the whole thread.
A few months back, my attempt at a solid state failed. I think the transistor was the problem.
I tried the Tip31.

When you have a min, can you type up a full parts list for me - including what wire gauges and turns you found best suited to your setup?

The coil I used has 850 turns and I don't know the gauges.

I would love to start again and get a solid state to work.


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/08/2011 2:55:53 PM
Message:

Hi Dave
I have 3 version 2-23ga and 1 20ga. The little 4 tranny was the smallest 5 strands and 500 turns twisted don't no the feet for that one. build standard ssg but you don't need any neos and air coils only. 1n4007 diodes for power on all out and 1n4001 across E&b strip to B . 18K resistor across C&B 10K resistor across E&B and 1K resistor on trigger with a 1K pot in series to B this is only on the FIRST tranny ONLY. Trannies 2,3,4 is trigger with a 50 to 100 ohm resistor to each B. It should run at that point and then if you have a meter with Hz on it adjust to 3.5 Hz. At that point read resistance on the pot and then put a resistor of 80% of that value and new pot 100 ohm this will keep you from burning it up. All resistors are 1/2 watt. I used 2n3055 trannies but I think any one that works on a ssg will work. Make this work first and if you want to go bigger will work on a modular unit. When you are ready to turn it on put a small amp meter in the front end to see when you are self oscillating because you will see before you hear it. I have charged a 100 AH battery with this one just takes 2 days.

Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 15/08/2011 5:29:28 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

My coil was not an air coil.
I removed the rods and it started straight up and is charging fast.

Mine is just the basic SSG with a 5k pot.
All my resistors are rated at 1/4 watt, so I will have to pick up some 1/2 watt.
The tranny is warm and the coils also.
I will keep a watch on temps for the next while.
I have no idea if it is tuned correctly, but I am very happy to get it running.

The extra resistors that you use, what is their main purpose?

Cheers Doug :)

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/08/2011 6:59:49 PM
Message:

Hi Dave
I think you are talking about the ones on the first transistor? If so they are to balance the input to the base. try adding more resistance in the trigger to 2K then set the pot to 0 ohms and check the heat. There should be no heat when tuned. Is this a bi-filer or trifler or what?? How many amps is it drawing??

Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 15/08/2011 8:31:10 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Yes, the first tranny.

Can you explain "try adding more resistance in the trigger to 2K then set the pot to 0 ohms"?

My coil is bifiliar.

I am not sure of what setting is needed on my multimeter for testing amps.
It is only fused for 250ma and I have blown numerous fuses over the last year.

My analog meter is showing a draw of 480ma

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/08/2011 9:55:58 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

480ma is a little high that is why the heat. 1.If you have a neon in line try taking it out 2. the 4001 across be there. 3.the 18K between C & B is a must for this coil 4. The 10K between B & E is a must. Both of these keep the tranny from staying on to long. The higher resistor on the trigger should bring it into the right Hz and lower your amp draw. Your analog will be fine.


Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 16/08/2011 11:46:56 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I ran it for 5h & 15min and decided to stop it as the coil was starting to smell due to the high temps.
The tranny was fine and stayed warm to the touch.

Primary dropped from 12.46v to 11.43 and back up to 11.86 after a 12 hour rest.
The charge battery went from 11.96 to 12.53 and dropped back down to 12.12 after a 12 hour rest.

I do have a neon in place, which I will change and I will try pick up some 1/2 watt resistors as soon as I can.
I am also planning on buying some new spools of magnet wire.
Any suggestions on what 2 gauges would be best to use?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 16/08/2011 1:46:00 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

If your going to buy wire go straight to the best 18 GA. You don't need 2 types, all one letz it and make your air coil 100 feet in length. Only 1 for the trigger and the rest for power my thirty is still only 1 and I would go modular. We can talk what is the cheapest later.

Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 16/08/2011 1:53:36 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I will go for the 18 gauge.
I was going to go for a 2nd gauge for use on the monopole that I plan to build, but with the delay on acquiring magnets, I can put that on hold.

I saw on Daftman's Solid State Video, that he used the coils as bought.

Does each coil use a transistor?

Do all coils (on the one unit) have to be the same gauge and length?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 16/08/2011 6:44:16 PM
Message:

Hi Dave
The SSAC uses 1 tranny for every strand as you see in the 12 tranny set up that will go on to the 30. The coil is or can be any arrangement you can think of. Square , round, triangle the key is to keep wires as short as possible from bundle to transistor that is why you see the 12 tranny configuration. from the bundle to the trannies 2 to 3 " where as on the 10 "coiler" there around 3' or more. When I built the 30 tranny I didn't think ahead for adding more, I ran out of place to hold the wire and then a place to hold more trannies. The new build will be 8 trannies max. and 8 strands of 18GA 100' bundle like the 12 but with 8 the size of the bundle will be more manageable and they can be stacked like combs in a bee hive. Very simple to build and test each board before it get puts into the big unit. You have to just think it out ahead of time . I have thought of long and skinny like 5 trannies and 5 strands to a board and 10 boards long total 50 trannies and I think you could make 2 or 3 unites and stack them. To Quote CW THINK OUT SIDE THE BOX. The first board has to have the trigger wire in its bundle. All must be letz together. When I raped the 12 bundle wire it became difficult to work with and this is why I thought to go 5 to 8 strands. These set ups are not to get hot!! if tuned right so you can use Plexiglas should be very cheep to build 10 boards and I think I will build the frame work to hold the boards as a unit out of pvc pipe also very cheep. Just more planing but I have to fit the 12 tranny board first before I go on to the next steep. Thanks for asking you made me put my mind to work faster than I was looking before.

Still having fun

Doug
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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 17/08/2011 11:52:02 AM
Message:

Cheers Doug.

I was hoping to head into town for wire and resistors today, but Maplins phones in the Dublin stores don't seem to be working to get a stock check on the wire.
They keep very little wire stocks, so could be a wasted journey.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 17/08/2011 12:25:58 PM
Message:

Good Morning Dave

Sounds like 2001 space Odyssey LOL. I need you to do me a favor. 1. give me your ohms reading of your resistor and pot setting as you run it yesterday. 2. Add 1K to the trigger before the pot and tell me what your MA readings are then and it your coil is as hot? Please and thank you. Also your 1/4 watt resistors will be fine for this.

Still having fun

Doug


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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 17/08/2011 3:10:12 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Just back from town.
I got the last 2 spools of 18 gauge that were in the shop and the new 1/2 watt resistors (18k & 10k)
They were out of 1k pots.

I will run those tests for you later today.
We have some sunshine today so I will be outside :)
They confirmed yesterday that we are having the worst summer in 20 years, so going to make the most of it while I can.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 17/08/2011 4:56:31 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Looking to here from you with new numbers I have to fix the van so I won't be around for a few hrs either.

Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 18/08/2011 2:08:38 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I put my multimeter on the lowest ohms setting of 200 (not 200k).
The ohms reading across the resistor jumps from 196.0 - 199.9
The pot reading on the same setting is showing 00.6

I have no idea of what those readings mean, so hoping you can explain them to me in your reply :)

I will put the new resistors in place today and just try it with my bifiliar coil before adding the 2 new coils.

That 20 min of sun paid off for me yesterday - spotted a rubbish skip while I was out and salvaged a PC and an old monitor from it :)

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 18/08/2011 2:24:47 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I would like you to put a 1k Before the pot and run the unit and see the ma usage on the front and the heat of the coil and tranny.
Yesterday I reworked the 6 tranny to a 13 and I checked the trigger resistors and it was 1225 ohms, It ran cold both coil and tranny,see where I'm going??

Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 18/08/2011 4:10:56 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I placed a 1k before the pot. The coils and tranny stayed cool.
The ma draw was just under 200 and I could adjust the pot so only 80ma was being drawn.

Should I leave the 1k resistor in place when I add the 2 other resistors (10k & 18k)?

If the charge battery disconnects without the neon bulb in place, does the resistor that replaces it save the tranny from blowing?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 18/08/2011 5:41:05 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

The last question first, I think no but I have done it many times and it does not always blow each time is different but I don't use one Because I went to eye crimps so the wire wont fall off. If I blow a tranny it is because I mest up took Chance out of the picture.
Next if you are in the ball park on your set up and I thank you are save the other resistors I had never built a bifiler with out them but I have them on the four tranny and it works just fine with them. I had built a 6 tranny that doesn't use them and the 30 also is with with out them. The important thing is you have control of your unit and it is cold. Any time you get heat you are waisting amps. That is the hole reason for SSAC. Now you have if you add a little more resistance so you get max MA of 150 you can charge very small batteries safely because you can turn down your MA, use the c20 rate for each battery. To build bigger SSAC I use 3.5 Hz and 120 ma per tranny so if you have a 100ah batt c20 would be 5 amp in and out so 120/ 5amp = 41 trannies and it stays cold and at max charge battery Hz. Play with that and get back with me.

Still having fun

Doug


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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 19/08/2011 09:40:59 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I ran it for 5 hours yesterday and all looks good.
I don't have a HZ reader, but I will add the 2 other coils today and see how that works.

Do you have any pics of your new build?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 19/08/2011 1:31:51 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

What are you going to install in your coils NO# of strands and trannies( what is your goal)

Still having fun

Doug

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 19/08/2011 2:29:56 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I was working on my old 6T that I tried to make with a inverted trigger and would work right. I meed a charger that can work on big batteries while I put together the 42T so I took a couple pic for you maybe it would give you some inspiration on your build.


This is 125' 23GA letz,56 ohms to each tranny and 550 ahead of the 500 ohm pot 10 turns. The way it sets is for 9 AH batteries but should be able to charge 125 AH battery. Hope this helps

Still having fun

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 19/08/2011 8:38:41 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

That looks great.

I am a slight bit confused.
The Daftman's SS uses 2 individual spools as bought from Maplins.
I was planning on doing the same - adding them to my existing SS.
Do I have to wind my 2 spools onto the bifiliar, or can I just add them leaving me with 3 separate spools?
The Daftman uses the 555 timer, so it differs from what I am doing and leaving me with questions on how to proceed.

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

This is 125' 23GA letz,56 ohms to each tranny and 550 ahead of the 500 ohm pot 10 turns.

I don't fully understand this. Can you explain a bit more for me?


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 19/08/2011 9:16:00 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Sorry the take so long to get back to you but had to replace the cam sensor shaft for the cam and it took longer than I plained on. On wards your building a cross between daftman and bedini, I think it will work one tranny per coil and same trigger as first tranny. But how long is the coil wire per 1 coil?? They I don't think that they have to be letz. The bifiler you are using is not letz Correct?? How long is the bifiler you are using?? If you use one coil and hook it up and it works but we have a heat in balance you can tell me and we will work out a plain!! Try it, it cant hurt..
also put 100 ohm on both trigger wires one to each tranny and start there.


Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 20/08/2011 4:59:30 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I have connected 1 of the new coils and all seems to be working, but how do I check that the new coil is working on the setup?

I have no idea how long the wire is on the new coils.
They are 250g spools.

The bifiliar has 850 turns of each wire, but again, no idea of the length.

What do you mean by "Letz"?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 20/08/2011 5:20:22 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

The new coil hook up can be checked by in put ma. Take off the second coil and take a reading then don't change any thing just hook up the second coil again and if it reads higher then it is working. Letz is twisted wire strands but this can only be used on ssg circuit. What GA wire did you buy??

Still having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 20/08/2011 6:40:17 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

There was no extra ma draw when the 2nd coil was added, so I need to start looking for what has gone wrong.

The wire on the bifiliar is not twisted, just wound.

I got the 18 gauge wire spools.

My charge battery got to 12.09v and seems to have stopped charging.


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 20/08/2011 7:09:36 PM
Message:

HI Dave

Give me some numbers take the second coil off take some more numbers and tell me every thing for diode and resistors on the two coil and one coil. what both battery volts are on and off.

Still Having fun

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 21/08/2011 7:57:02 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I spent hours yesterday rewiring and testing and still no joy with the 2nd coil added.

My setup is Daftman's set out of the SSG with a 5k pot, a 1k resistor before the pot, a 10K resistor across B&E and an 18K resistor across B&C.

My next coil...(wired to 2nd tranny)
Start of coil connected to a 100ohm resistor and connected to B.
1N4001 from B to E (stripe to B).
E to end of coil and Neg Pri.
C to 1N4007 and connected to charge + (Stripe to Charge batt +) and C also wired to C on first transistor.

Pri batt was 12.02v at start and ended up at 11.68v
Charge Batt started at 11.81v and ended at 12.10.
Ran for 2&1/2 hours on 180ma.

I did not get the settled reading (1 hour later) as I started running again on a lower ma setting (about 40ma).
Ran it for another 4 hours or so and now (about 20 hours later) the batts stand at -
Pri 11.72v
Charge 11.96v

I am thinking that I have something wired wrong?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 21/08/2011 9:17:13 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Sorry for the no joy lets see if we can check all connections

C. end of 4007 and end of 2coil wire, stripe end of 4007to
charge battery

E. 4001 diode non stripe and (-) from run battery

B. stripe end 4001,100 ohm resistor from trigger

Start of 2 coil wire to (+) of run battery
trigger from tranny1 to 100 ohm that is on tranny2 B.
also should put a 100 ohm to the 1st tranny trigger at B.
also while you have it in your hand test ohms on the 3 coil and get back to me.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 21/08/2011 9:37:55 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

Start of 2 coil wire to (+) of run battery

That's the missing wire.

I did have that coil wired correctly when I first started, but for some reason I seem to have changed it and left it out.

I will give it a try as soon as I return.

I also have the ohm readings jotted down in my notepad.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 21/08/2011 10:11:06 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Do we have a smile yet

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 22/08/2011 01:54:45 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I added the missing wire.
I only touched the pri batt and my 2amp meter went off the scale (even with the pot at lowest setting) so I did not let it run.

Is it supposed to jump to over 2amp?

My ohm readings...
Run is 7.6
Trigger is 10.5
New coil is 2.5

Am I correct in connecting both Collectors together?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 22/08/2011 02:15:07 AM
Message:

Hi Dave

The 4007 both end at the charge battery line. Yes don't run 2+ amps is not right there is something else wrong it should not be over 3-400 MA top end I would be happy around 2-250MA. Take off the trigger to tranny2 and retest if every thing is wired right only tranny1 will run just like before. The difference between 23ga and 18 ga may be the problem but should be able to work around that. Let me know.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 24/08/2011 7:59:46 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I am going to rewire this coming weekend.
Having a busy week, so should be good for Saturday.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 24/08/2011 8:17:37 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I am going to try 2 coils not twisted and see if I can make that work just to see if I can have a trigger not on the same coil as the power coil. Hope that made senses?

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 25/08/2011 09:17:16 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Mine is just a mess of wires and connectors until I get it running correctly.
Once I achieve that I hope to design a casing to house the finished setup.

Looking forward to hearing of your results :)

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 25/08/2011 2:24:38 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Go back to one tranny and make it work first. That is what I do. Also check all your trannies, when one is shorted between B & C it shows a dead short and uses a lot of juice in heat. let me know??

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 25/08/2011 5:28:57 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

It is back up and running on the 1 tranny.

Not exactly sure how to check the 2nd tranny, but it is giving an ohms reading between B,C and E

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 25/08/2011 5:43:00 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

do you have a diode setting on your meeter?? If so black lead to C and red lead to B should be about .6 any other hook up with readings says it went BOOM!!!!!!



Still having fun

Doug


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 25/08/2011 6:02:26 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Just checked my meters and a few of them do have the diode setting.
Tranny 1 shows 553 and 2 shows 550.
Is that ok?

I also have NPN/PNP testers on some meters, but not sure how to use them.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 25/08/2011 7:27:00 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Take a new tranny and check all with black and red and you should get only 1 way that reads in the diode setting. Each type tranny will have a little different reading BUT only read one way C=black and B= red and get a .5?? to.6?? if it reads any other way it is junk.


Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 25/08/2011 8:36:50 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

My readings are correct.
I also tested the MJ trannys on my 3 pole and they all read 517.
There is no decimal point displayed, but the meter was cheap to buy.

I am still thinking that I may have had the 2nd coil wired up wrong.


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 25/08/2011 8:45:50 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I have the new little window motor and had a shorted neo brand new which took out my tranny first thing so I had to learn. That one took 2 days because I was in the mountains in Calf at my buddies house and no spare tranny to take a reading on. A 38 mi trip one way for a $2.oo part and 3 1/2 gal gas. LOL

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 26/08/2011 4:10:47 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

That is called "commitment to the cause" lol.

I am still on track for rewiring tomorrow unless I get stung for babysitting the grandchildren again.
Hoping it is not going to be another Barney/Dora day. I don't think I can handle another one of those days again.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 26/08/2011 5:42:10 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Just put that big S on your shirt and the purple cape on your neck and SMILE there only young once.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 27/08/2011 2:45:11 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I rewired again and my 2amp meter is still going off the scale.
The same result from a 2nd 2amp meter.
What I don't understand is why my 2 20amp meters are showing less than 500ma.

I am going to let it run for a while to see what happens.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 27/08/2011 3:05:09 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I have the same problem with a 1 amp meter. It just pegs to the top of the scale. I just assume it is bad and it was brand new, all I know is that with DC - pulse anything that is hooked up to this is subject to bad and we are not the only ones that it happens to and on one can put a finger on it! As long as your other meter says under 500MA I would say its working you just need to detune it down until there is NO heat in the tranny or coil and I would expect to see heat in 1 of the trannys do to imbalance of wire size. That can be tuned to cold and cold for both. I don't think your 18GA will be any problem. Good luck

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 27/08/2011 3:54:34 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I removed the amp meter and connected it up and it just won't work.
No idea why the meters are showing readings, as both batteries remain at starting voltage.
I then put it back to my 1 bifiliar and everything is fine again.

Where do I go from here?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 27/08/2011 3:59:16 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Can you take a picture of the unit and one of the second tranny and your hook up wires.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 28/08/2011 09:33:47 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I will post a video later today.


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 28/08/2011 2:32:52 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Good deal

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 28/08/2011 5:29:57 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

This is the new board for the SSAC it will be only 5 strands per board but it will be modular so it can be as many boards as you want.
This will be my SSAC 18GA and I will start with 60 trannies at least that is what I just ordered.



Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 28/08/2011 6:11:53 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Have that video recorded, but will have to do a voice over before posting.
Too much background noise has messed it up.
It is like everyone waited till I hit the record button to call my cell, knock on the door, shout, scream, bark, rev engines and start cutting lawns.
All the little brats start back in school tomorrow, so should be nice and peaceful again outside :)

Are the 2 circular holes for coils?
Will you have 60 wires for the trannys?

Perspex is very pricey here and is not really an option for me, but it does look great.
Wood seems to be the better choice and I have plenty of experience when working with it.


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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 28/08/2011 6:49:11 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Yes the 2 big holes is for the 5 strands one coil per board. Thin board would work less than .250" just so you can solder the tranny. I am using acrylic just because I have a lot from craigslist for free it is .210". I have the 2 coils to try for a trigger separate from the power coil no Litz. Wife is leaving for holiday tomorrow and I have a Honey do list so I don't know if I will have time today??

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 30/08/2011 1:37:27 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Here is the video of the SSC.
I could not get the voice over to play although Movie Maker loaded the file without any problems.

I have included footage of the 2nd coil.




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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 30/08/2011 7:11:32 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Sorry I could not make out to much from your video. When I blew it up it was fuzzy. Its the big amp draw shows a short or a tranny that is stuck open. I am trying to duplicate with 2 coils of 18GA and I can't get it to work like yours. I brought in the SSAC30 to get wired to the 42 hope it will be back to work tonight.

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 31/08/2011 11:19:18 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

My video camera is HD, but I think it is windows movie maker that is causing the degrade on the footage.

I can also take HD pics if that will help?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 31/08/2011 3:52:56 PM
Message:

Hi Dave to save time tell me where each wire comes from the one that works to where on each coil and tranny.

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 01/09/2011 12:02:39 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

The setup is the same as the SSG with a 1k resistor before the 5k pot, an 18k from B to E and a 10k between B and C.
The 2nd coil is
SR to Pri+,
a 100ohm resistor from SR to B,
ER to C,
a diode (1n4007) from C to charge+ (stripe to Batt),
a diode (1n4001) from B to E (stripe to B),
wires connect trannys (B to B and E to E).

That is correct?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 01/09/2011 1:08:51 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

sr to B,no. trigger 100 ohm to B. Sorry my mind is fried this morning worked on 42t in my sleep and I think I have a cold solder joint or two but its working.

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 01/09/2011 2:06:19 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Just to be sure I am understanding you correctly - I connect the SR of my 2nd coil to B (not pri?) - if so, B on 2nd tranny?

Do I remove the 100 ohm from pot to B? - on 1st tranny?

Looking forward to seeing your 42t :)

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 01/09/2011 3:02:27 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

After I drew it out you Had it wright the first time. The SR throw me off, Still brain fade. The 23ga from the first coil may be to big a difference to the 18ga, I thought about putting a resistor between pri + and SR that may work , But it may take the power you wanted to get out of it. your call. My wife took the camera with her on holiday so no more pic until she gets back. I am still trying to get my trigger coil separate from a power to osculate, still not yet.


Doug

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 01/09/2011 8:18:26 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I have been working on a theory and I proved it to my self today. I have seen poor charging with the SSAC below 12.3v and the big bank in the barn was at 12.2 today and the battery I put on charge last night started at about 12.45 and it was only 12.71 when I looked in AM. It should have been over 12.9 and I have seen this type of charge before just didn't put 2 & 2 together. Will look for your input.

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 02/09/2011 10:40:18 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

So should I make a new bifiliar?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 02/09/2011 1:29:46 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

That is a tuffy. Your 23/26ga work fine? Do you need bigger and better than that? Than I would say yes if not you have the smaller for proof of concept. I am still working on the 2 coil with the trigger separate for the big unit. Next to try is wind one board with 5 strands and then connect the external trigger and see if it will work that way.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 02/09/2011 3:16:45 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I am going to make another coil with the same wire gauge that is on the bifiliar.
That should give me a good indication of what the problem is.
If that does not work, I will then know that there is a problem with my wiring or components.
If it does work, then I will know what steps to take for the bigger coils to be added.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 02/09/2011 5:03:43 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

On my 4 tranny the trigger was put on first which was a test to see if I could make it osculate if it was not all as one unit wound together. In your case you have used 26ga trigger and 23ga power and trying to also use 18gs for power and all it does is get hot because it is not balanced IMHO. When I made the 30t it was all lits trigger and power together and maby if you wind a 23ga it will work. what I am going to try this weekend is wind lits 5 wire and use a trigger wound separately, what I have try ed now is 1 18ga coil for each and It wont osculate I think the 5 lits is the next test.

Doug

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 02/09/2011 5:41:43 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I will try winding an 18 gauge wire around the bifiliar.
Do I give it 850 turns like the bifiliar or should I use the full coil?

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 02/09/2011 9:08:01 PM
Message:

Scrap that last question.
Only got 325 turns with the new coil.
Going to make a recording of my first trifiliar in action

My bifiliar only has 550 turns.
Found a sticker attached with the amount of turns on it

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 02/09/2011 9:13:58 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

JB only uses 100' of 18GA and that is all I will use for the new 60T SSAC. Don't want you to waist the wire unless it can be used for any outer project. If you can figure out how long a full spool i it may help you make your decision easer.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 03/09/2011 1:13:54 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by 49er

JB only uses 100' of 18GA


Hi Doug.

Did that info come from the conference?

I need to rethink my coils.

I made that video, so I will try post it later today

http://www.youtube.com/user/IrishDaveatTeepForum


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 03/09/2011 1:52:10 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

That came from ricks web site when they sell you a coil they tell you feet of each GA or at least they did. Also I found out that JB's 10 coiler only had 5 strands per coil VERY INTERESTING. say that with a German accent. It was to hot yesterday to do anything 95*F I melt at 85 LOL. I will see if I can get 1 board done and I get my parts in the post today so I will see if I can melt slowly it is only going to be 86 today.

Doug






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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 03/09/2011 8:16:39 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Well I just got with my testing and it was fantakist. Tried separate coil trigger won't work even with a litz power coil so went with 5 litz board and just used one for the trigger and one for power. Put a 1K pot and 51 ohm 1watt resistor so I could get a large variable. Worked my way down from 3K to start. VERY VERY surprised with the 18GA, I ended up with at 3.5 KHz and 1AMP !!!!!
The 18 just comes alive, can't Waite until I a second board ready with the trigger litz with the 5 power wires. I just went back and tested again to double check and yes it works also checked ohms with the pot 86 ohms with the single tranny no 100 resistor for the branch straight to trigger.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 03/09/2011 11:05:43 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

Do you wind your coils for optimum inductance based on a calculated former dimension ? When i read you statement that JB uses 100 feet of 18 AWG for his coils and JB's comments about Tesla being right about maximum inductance / minimum resistance got me thinking.

I'm just in the process of doing the math but if this approach is correct it should produce a very efficient device.

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 04/09/2011 1:19:46 PM
Message:

Hi Guys.

Doug - I saw an interview with JB where he says there are 8 on each coil.
I also watched videos on youtube where peeps bought the 10 coiler and there were also 8 on each coil to attach to the 80 trannys.
I do remember watching John Bearden say that 5-6 turns on each coil of larger gauge was producing better results than many turns of smaller gauge.
When I heard about that, I did post on the forum about it, but I don't remember getting feedback from others on Bearden's comments.

And Doug - we are having storms again lol

Any idea how many feet of 18 gauge wire is on a 250g roll?

Ron - I can't seem to find the post about matching the impedance of the battery to the coils.
Do you remember posting some info on that thread?
Could you repost the info again for me or direct me to the post if you know the one I am referring to?

I am having more problems trying to publish my video.
Keeps crashing my PC, but I will keep trying.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 04/09/2011 3:17:19 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

500g =18SAg=47 meters / =18awg=70 meters
and don't test this with small batteries or you will suck Thar run battery dry like a juice box.
JB said that his 10 coiler only had 5 strands on it , SO may be some one changed coils before it was shipped.


Hi Ron

My resistance calculator will do 10 parallel unit but I don't have any idea what litz does for the resistance. Hope that answerers your question. Yes I figured a battery was well below 1/5 ohm but my battery meter reads m with a ohm horse shoe behind it they read 5.something on a good battery and 6. + up to 45.000 very bad. Haven't brought one back from that range yet. LOL

Doug


Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 04/09/2011 8:31:36 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

We seem to have got our wire slightly crossed ( or twisted , lol )

In 1928 a man by the name of Wheeler published what can best be described as the coilwinders bible. He discovered that an optimum former size / shape existed which would allow the maximum inductance to be obtained from a fixed length of wire.

I have taken this ratio and written a small program to produce the optimum winding dimensions.

In the example below 7 strands of 18 AWG are twisted together to produce a wire of approx 3mm diameter


Enter number of layers 10

Enter number of turns per layer 11

Overall former diameter ( millimetres ) = 120.00
Former core diameter ( millimetres ) = 60.00
Overall winding width ( millimetres ) = 30.00
Overall winding depth ( millimetres ) = 33.33
Average winding diameter ( millimetres ) = 90.00

Layer mm / layer subtotal mm
1.00 2073.72 2073.72
2.00 2281.09 4354.81
3.00 2488.46 6843.28
4.00 2695.84 9539.11
5.00 2903.21 12442.32
6.00 3110.58 15552.90
7.00 3317.95 18870.85
8.00 3525.32 22396.18
9.00 3732.70 26128.87
10.00 3940.07 30068.94

Total length of wire used = 30.07 metres



This is an example of a "self seeking" version of the program , this time using 5 cores of 18 AWG producing a wire of 2.7 mm average diameter

On this occasion the value of 30 metres ( 100 feet ) for the total wire length does not occur

Unless otherwise stated all dimensions are in millimetres ( mm )

Optimum Design for SS Bedini Coil

Enter wire diameter ( in millimetres ) 2.7


# layers Former OD Former ID Wind Space Wire Length metres

2.00 21.60 10.80 5.40 0.24

3.00 32.40 16.20 8.10 1.17

4.00 43.20 21.60 10.80 3.73

5.00 54.00 27.00 13.50 9.33

6.00 64.80 32.40 16.20 19.95

7.00 75.60 37.80 18.90 38.24

8.00 86.40 43.20 21.60 67.60

9.00 97.20 48.60 24.30 112.24

10.00 108.00 54.00 27.00 177.30

11.00 118.80 59.40 29.70 268.94

12.00 129.60 64.80 32.40 394.38

13.00 140.40 70.20 35.10 562.01

14.00 151.20 75.60 37.80 781.49

15.00 162.00 81.00 40.50 1063.82

Once again the edit as destroyed the printing format

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 04/09/2011 10:01:45 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

The coil is not wound on a spool, it is raped around the board like the 12 tranny board that I poster in an early photo. This time I am only using a 5 tranny board with the rap of wire on the top end of the trannies. The new board is half way down page6 of this thread. Don't know if the no coil makes a difference or not?

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 05/09/2011 2:25:04 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Did you find out how many feet are on your 18GA coil?

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 05/09/2011 3:24:08 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I have not had a chance to measure the coil length yet.
Was planning on doing it in the park while testing an earth battery.
There are electric pylons in the park which I want to do my tests under.
We are still having stormy weather here, so it will be a day or so before I get around to it.

Here is the video I made the other day...



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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 05/09/2011 3:48:37 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

It looked to me may be it quit osculating, Mine does that no reason just turn it off and back on and see if it starts. Some time I have to do this 2-3 times and I find to much resistance remember you working on the two batteries resistance also. When you added the second coil you might have to make an adjustment for it.


Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 05/09/2011 4:02:18 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I could hear it osculating all the time although on the video it is hard to hear.
Do I have it wired correctly?
The coils on my 3 pole are all connected to the pri+ while I have this wired the same as the trigger.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 05/09/2011 4:28:12 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

You said in your video the 100 ohm resistor is at the start of the trigger. If that is correct then change it from tranny 1 connection hook with that 100 ohm to the base of tranny2. I think you were running in parallel with the trigger. any way it should be from end of trigger to a resistor and pot or if you just have the pot that is good. From the pot to 100 ohm to tranny1. From the pot to 100 ohm to tranny2. If that is the way you have it I will go back and look again. It is confusing?? Hope it helps

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 05/09/2011 8:42:26 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

I would say that you will get better results with the wire arranged in a circular coil , this is what the textbook answer would be to obtain the maximum release of energy from an inductor because you need a uniform magnetic field.

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 05/09/2011 9:01:48 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

Thank you for the info, but it is already raped. We will see what the out put will be because I will rap the first 2 strands litz together from the trigger test and put it on a spool for the tesla switch project. Thank again

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 05/09/2011 10:15:45 PM
Message:

Hi Ron and All

I would up the litz 18 same as I used on the 5 strand board and this is my findings.
1. 5board was set for 1amp at 3.5Hz
2. 18 coil was at same settings and 1 amp at 2.4 Hz and to get the Hz up to 3.5 the amps went down to .77MA.

So what does that tell us about round VS oblong. Both were air coils and same batteries and same tranny?


Doug


Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 05/09/2011 11:43:18 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

You should really stay with one circuit combination to act as a control but i would suspect your results were in part due to self capacitance of the cables , this would "detune" your circuit to another frequency.

ron


Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 05/09/2011 11:46:59 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Am i right in thinking that you had the 2 ohms meters both connected in parallel when you tried to measure your coils resistance ? If this was the case the reason the meters read differently was down to the meters "fighting" each other.
ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 06/09/2011 11:25:03 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

The 100ohm is after the trigger and I have a 1k before the pot.
You suggested the 1k before the pot to stop the coils from overheating and it has worked a treat.

Hi Ron - you are correct. I did have them in parallel.
I did not realize that they would react that way.

So where do I go from here?
Do I need rewire my coils?
I am still thinking I have something wired wrong when compared to the 3pole.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 06/09/2011 6:26:16 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

The 100 ohm goes for each tranny total of 2 resistors from the pot, just to be clear 1 line from pot one resistor to the tranny. at the pot 1 line one resistor to tranny2 I just didn't see that in your video.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 08/09/2011 08:40:01 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I only have 1 coil running through the pot.
Do extra coils run through the pot also?

My extra coil bypasses the pot and goes to the 100ohm resister before the 2nd tranny.
Is this where I am making my mistake?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 08/09/2011 11:35:40 AM
Message:

HI Dave

From the trigger pot it is called a branch and to each tranny Base goes 100 ohm resistor and if you add a third tranny also a 100 ohm resistor that way you control all 2 or 3 tranny as one. Hope it helps.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 08/09/2011 12:43:00 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

That does help, but I still need to know if my extra coils bypass or go through the pot?
The schematic is not showing a pot and I just don't have the knowledge to know how to wire it.

quote:
Originally posted by theremart




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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 08/09/2011 12:52:50 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

From the pic take the 50 ohm out and replace with your resistor first then connected to it your pot then just before the tranny of each put your 100 ohm. As I said in last post after the pot is your branch and see it looks like one. hope it helps

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 12/09/2011 10:36:29 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

I have been "doing the math" on square , long rectangle and round coils . After some unexpected results i've decided to build a "test bed" using 7 strand + trigger coils powered by 7 BD243C transistors. The trigger will be either via trigger coil or simple NE555 timer based oscillator.

Will let you know how i get on

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 14/09/2011 5:43:55 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

Good to hear you are going to join Dave and Me with a SSAC. It kept me awake last night thinking about the coil characteristic. As soon as I get home I will wind some different ones and see like you what is going on?? After I told you about 1amp vs 700MA with the same wire I think I over looked something. More later have to get down the road.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 14/09/2011 9:08:10 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

The circular air cored inductor , dimensioned to Wheelers optimum ratio should produce the best results because it gives the maximum inductance / minimum resistance for a given length of wire. However the problem ( if there is one ) arises from the size / area of the air core to maintain Wheelers "magic" ratio. This obviously is not the case with a narrow rectangular coil ( as you use in your chargers ) , but your favoured coil form should produce the least inductance which so the theory goes should produce a lower back EMF voltage pulse.

Hence the need for a practical test ( if only for peace of mind , lol )

All the best

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 14/09/2011 11:20:37 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

See my posting in "Math of the Bedini coil" for my simple test program for Wheelers optimum ratio for inductors.

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/09/2011 04:45:53 AM
Message:

Hi Ron

I started with the standard bedini and then built daftmans build. Both ran and charged about the same, one was 450 turns 26/23 and the other 900 turns 26/23 also ran about the same but it was not what I wanted. Then I built 3000 turns that vesperhbt had me wind but about that time I had back surgery and I lost 1 1/2 yrs of experimenting but the little that I could do with that coil would not work and tried everything. That is when I got interested in SS and tried a lot of bedini types but still couldn't get what I wanted and then ran across theremart work and I am making the power I want but as you see with the 20t that went to the 30t was good . However once the monster is let out bigger is better but 30t is all the room I had avable, big problem but it did turn out to be a 42t at last. Not big enough. The one thing I learned is SSAC for me is much easer and can make as much power as I need or want as in a 10 coiler with out all the spinning, much much cheaper. The extra 12 t on the 42T showed me the way I can stack any number of coils or trannies I want or need all I need as long as it works. I just go with my gut and say if it works for JB it will work for me. The final numbers I get with a now AC coil round or oblong, the bigger the better as 700MA round and 1AMP with oblong. The 30t was 5.4 amps and it was made with 20ga so with 18ga I don't need as many coils and not as many transistors, I can make with the oblong 18ga the same 5AMPS with one coil ans 5 transistors again mush cheaper. Well once again I am running off at the mouth just my thoughts.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 15/09/2011 08:16:44 AM
Message:

Hi Doug

Thanks for the info , i will put it to good use.

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/09/2011 7:24:12 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

I think we will really have a good charging system and know how to match just about any battery to it. I will be back home on Monday so I can get back to my experimenting.

Doug

Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 22/09/2011 2:17:33 PM
Message:

Hi All

I finally got my wifes camera back so I can show the new SSAC.
Hope you enjoy. Also this same setup can be used for the TESLA SWITCH.


Doug





Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 23/09/2011 11:06:14 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

That looks good.
Those trannys are great the way they can be screwed down.
The Tip31's that I use are not so simple to secure.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 23/09/2011 11:58:29 AM
Message:

Hi Dave

After the findings on the Tesla Switch I might put this 5 tranny to work as a TS but I want to do a big battery TS with the one tranny first.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 23/09/2011 8:43:55 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

I agree with Dave , they do look great. Can i ask please , how many turns , former length , wire gauge , and wire length ?

Yes i'm still doing inductance calculations !

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 23/09/2011 10:57:12 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

100 feet 18 awg and wind to the end of the wire. The board is 5.75 inside edge to inside edge.



Any thing else I can tell you just ask

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 25/09/2011 2:33:05 PM
Message:

Thanks again Doug

Do have another question ( probally me just being dumb ) , in the image above you have two coil / drive assemblies side by side mounted on a wooden support. Is this how they run ( i just cannot believe that mutual coupling does not have an effect ) ?

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 25/09/2011 3:27:48 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

Yes these are stackable. I am going to use pvc pipe to put them together so it looks neat and light weight. The 2x4 it is on is just to size spacing and to hold for assembly. The 42T has been running with this type set up for two weeks. The only draw back so far is you can't have large pieces of metal around it 6 to 8 inches but other than that it is great. I will see if I can get a pic of the 42T today and post. Hope it helps

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 26/09/2011 3:06:15 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

Here is the pic of the 42T



Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 26/09/2011 4:01:32 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

That is some serious looking device :)

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 26/09/2011 4:20:39 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Yes it is but it is not doing as good as I thought it would but it does charge the cart battery in under 48 hrs. I think that works out to a C35 rate. I will have to time the next battery and see if it takes 35 hrs to charge. That will be a good test, I have one that is ready to be charged so 35 hrs from 12 pm today will be 23:00 tomorrow. Will see?

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 28/09/2011 3:05:12 PM
Message:

Hi All

I checked on the battery at 11pm and it was 15.02 volts so I left it charge until 8am today and it was 14.99 volts. So my conclusion is C35 works it was charged in 35 hours.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 30/09/2011 11:37:53 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Is that what you were hoping for or did you expect to see a quicker charge?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 30/09/2011 12:30:29 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

The purpose of looking at the C35 rate was to see if the battery was charged in 35 hrs as it was to be on paper. I had never charged a battery with a clock and expected it to be charged at that time. At least for this battery it was taken down to 12.0 and rested and then charged 35 hrs I let it run longer to prove to me that it was at full charge. Now I know I can figure out how long a battery should charge and if it takes longer it means the battery is sulfated or has a bad cell. C20 is the key for big or small and it works


Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.

Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 02/10/2011 5:11:43 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

Just catching up with forum postings , that's a pretty mean looking setup ! I still believe that the self inductance of the coils plays a major part in the output / charge rate . I'm hoping to prove this with my setup.

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 02/10/2011 6:13:24 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

I made a new setup last night from the information I am getting off the TS that I have running now and it is with cart batteries of course. The coil is with a round coil set up and I am getting still .720MA with it at 3.5 Hz. I have to Wait until I am done with the first round before I will post. However I did a 1/2 round with 100 AH batteries and it went good but the batteries that I charged weren't up to speed so I went on and dropped that test and went for the T105's sense that is for me what it is all about.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 06/10/2011 9:05:16 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

I might have reached my limit on size for an oscillating coil. This one I can not get it to oscillate with the wire on it.



Don't LOL to hard I always try to push the envelope. I will still try to make this work but may have to add a 18awg trigger wire to get to oscillate. It is 12 awg 100' bifiler and its 25" long. If I get it to work it should be awesome. LOL

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 07/10/2011 08:20:36 AM
Message:

Hi Doug

See what you mean ! , try putting a capacitor ( say 0.1uF ) across the collector winding.

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 07/10/2011 09:09:24 AM
Message:

Hi Ron

I will try that and thanks

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 08/10/2011 10:50:59 AM
Message:

Wow Doug.

Did you recycle or buy the wire?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 08/10/2011 12:24:16 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I bartered for the wire. All bedini stuff swap or trade

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 09/10/2011 5:21:33 PM
Message:

Hi Guys

Take a look at this pulse charger / reconditioner circuit ( also spend some time looking through the web site , well worth it !

http://www.freewebs.com/acselectronics/batterypulser.html

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 09/10/2011 6:19:52 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

I have had a desulfator actually 2 of them from different company's and they really have not worked. One said it would work on any size bank and the other will work on up to 500ah battery bank. Nether worked as advertised. I still have the one in the barn hooked up that is the 500 ah unit and can't tell where the good leaves off and the bad starts. IMHO

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 09/10/2011 9:36:34 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I am boggley eyed from all the reading I have done today, but I just discovered that pic I posted with the 3 battery setup came from JB's site.

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html

The batteries are 1.5v so the dead battery had to be below 1.5v!

I also just noticed that one of the batteries has its polarity reversed.
Are they diodes on each side of the load or are they just there to show what direction the flow is going?
There is no time frame listed for when to change the batteries around, but this is something I would like to try.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 10/10/2011 12:29:56 AM
Message:

Hi Dave

Like you I have been reading when I wasn't painting the box. First on each side of the load are diodes and yes the 2 batteries are + up. This is very close to the Tesla switch circuit and I think you could build it with .050 ma light 2-1n4007 diodes and 3 rechargeable AA or AAA batteries. Very cheep test probably under 6.USD new. The rechargeable batteries are 100ma each and I would say the light is what controls the amount of voltage going from batt. 1 to 3 so we have a 25ma bulb from the first bedini and you should have the same one so use that one and lets try it. That is a good idea you have. I also think 25ma from 2 100 ma batteries should run it for 8 hrs. So lets change battery positions every 2 hrs or sooner it will depend on voltage of the #1 battery. Lets just pull 1 volt as the change time for the #1 position. I will start mine tomorrow and lets start a new thread. OK? You start it please because it is to late for me to start it tonight. May be Ron would like to get in on this also???

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 10/10/2011 12:57:00 AM
Message:

Hi Doug.

That sounds like a plan.
I don't think I have any 25ma bulbs, but I can use the SMD strips - each color uses a different amp draw and I know the green pulls 22ma.
I have an unopened pack of rechargeable AA batteries rated at 2.300mAH so I just need to check the voltage on them.
I think they come charged so I will just have to discharge one of them.
I also have loads of diodes and holders for the batteries, so I should be good to go.

I will start a new thread in the morning as it is hitting 1am here now.

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Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 10/10/2011 09:37:35 AM
Message:

My head had just hit the pillow when I remembered that the SMDs are 12v!

I still have the guts of the solar lights that I used on my first solar project, which include the little 1.5v bulbs.
I think they might be light emitting diodes, so I will have to check that.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 10/10/2011 2:14:49 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

I think just a small ma set up will be fine.
It would interesting to see if there is a difference between the to setups.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 10/10/2011 2:59:56 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

I finished my little setup this morning, but my LEDs are 3v and are not lighting up.
I cannot think of anything I have that just runs on 1.5v.
I can't even think of a local shop that might have something.
Any ideas?

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 11/10/2011 2:49:16 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Try around 375 ohm resistor 1/4 watt that should be .25 ma and that should work In place of the LED. The van broke yesterday and I will be probably be all day fixing it. Hopefully I can work on our project later.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 11/10/2011 5:07:48 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Yesterday I ordered some 1.5v 15ma grain of wheat bulbs from the UK.
They were dispatched this morning, so I should have them very soon.
I will try using a resistor this evening.

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 11/10/2011 6:22:19 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Start the new thread I am started and will post pic and start up info on the new thread.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 15/10/2011 9:26:46 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

Have you taken a look inside your commercial desulfators ? Just wondered if they are 2 coil or 1 coil types.

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/10/2011 10:02:17 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

I have one that I am not using now so I will get it and look.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/10/2011 10:51:42 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

They have epoxied the board it measures 3x 1 3/4x3/4" and about 6 OZ. Other than that its black and 2 leds and that all I can tell you.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 16/10/2011 12:22:52 AM
Message:

Hi Doug

I hate it when they encase circuits in plastic etc , thanks for looking though ( better luck next time )

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 12/11/2011 01:58:09 AM
Message:

Hi Ron

Good to see you home. How is the new build coming?? I just finished tunning the OOT and thought you may like the results and I think it will really relate to your new one. The base resistance is 8 ohms LOL its cool to. The branch resistors are 22 ohms, had to go up from 10 ohms to get the amps up from 2.25 at the 10 ohms. The new 22 ohm creates 3.5 amps and more but have to get new meter, the digital looses something when it is hooked up. The one thing that is exciting is it is charging the 6 volt battery real fast so I think I am getting a LOT of radiant in the charge (20 to 26 hrs) on 3 1/2 amps should take about 37 hrs so something is happening. O well just an up date that you could use the numbers on your build.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 13/11/2011 9:12:21 PM
Message:

Thanks again for the information / update Doug

I've still got it stuck in my head that inductance of the coil vs magnetic field decay plays a very important role in this circuit.
Just as you predicted the 7 amp/hr cells are not large enough and so i've now got two 60 amp hr car batteries.

I will try my BD243C circuit + its small coil ( way small by what you build , lol ) but i have my doubts so i will be drawing out another pcb for use with TIP3055 and of course a way bigger coil ( 1 mm , approx 18AWG ) on a 2 inch dia former with a 2 square inch winding window

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 14/11/2011 2:42:04 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

I can't wait to see your build and get some results, soon I hope.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: ron_o
Replied on: 14/11/2011 10:29:08 PM
Message:

Hi Doug

I would like to get some results soon too !

Anyway , i have cut out a former for the coil and the epoxy is drying right now , so i should ( time permitting ) get the coil wound tomorrow . I might just cheat and try it on the BD243C's board ( getting impatient myself , lol )

ron

Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time. Thomas A Edison


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 15/11/2011 2:55:24 PM
Message:

Hi Ron

I am so glad to hear your getting close. I am hoping to hear from Dave and that he is getting close but with the water and all only he knows. Any I sure you will like it when it is done Good luck.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: IrishDave
Replied on: 16/11/2011 3:34:14 PM
Message:

Hi Doug.

Just stuck for time ATM.
With the grandkids back home I am doing school runs, homework and watching children's videos every day with them.

I just have to put the finishing touches to mine including the switch.
I am also awaiting the return of one of my batteries which I lent to a neighbor when his car would not start.
Hoping to have it up and running in the coming days

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Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 16/11/2011 10:49:04 PM
Message:

Hi Dave

Glad to hear your using the battery in real world usage. Real glad to hear the SS will be working soon. Looking forward to a video on it.

Doug

Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 05/12/2011 7:27:27 PM
Message:

Hi ALL

This is my COP>1 machine. Like Tinman I have no way of proving my unit except with results. So here is my numbers and pic, no video no action just results. I took a 5 AH battery for the run and 2-9 AH to the charge and there charged and still have 12.3 volts in the 5 AH battery. Not quite 4 to 1 but close.



We will need to make up a way to have a procedure for getting this COP>1 official so that everyone can make it and they under stand the why and how but for the most part if it looks to good then you have do it. LOL

Tinman layed out the floor plain and this made it easy to follow him. He charged a number of batteries and last I heard still going. This is the way this we work together.

Doug

The sky is not the limit...There are footprints on the MOON.
Your only as DUMB as where your standing.
No matter where you go there you are.
Still having fun.


Reply author: bobhope
Replied on: 31/01/2014 11:15:24 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Lidmotor

Hi, I have not posted anything on the forum for awhile because I have been busy on another project. This new Imhotep charger that Mart mentioned works and is so simple that it is almost silly. It is a 12V auto relay, a neon bulb, and a diode. The one that I built today draws less than 30 Milliamps and charges just like a Bedini. Build it in an hour or two. No transistor, no spinning magnets,no coil winding, no tuning, simple soldering,and Radio Shack parts. One drawback is that it is noisy. Sounds like a buzzer. You have to sound proof it some way. It is a great way to see the BEMF phenomenon in a hurry.

Lidmotor



this thing is cool. fired right up first time. thanks for the post.


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