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Topic author: ardyle
Subject: Tom Bearden's Charge Collector Free Energy Device
Posted on: 10/10/2009 07:20:13 AM
Message:

I am trying to build Tom Bearden's free energy device which utilizes a charge collection. You can see a block diagram of it, figure 1A, at this website:
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%20of%2015%20Feb%201994/index.html



The above switching circuit working in the following way:



According to Bearden, a battery or a generator is actually a source dipole antenna. Essentially, what you must do is transfer the charge from the source dipole antenna to a charge collector (capacitor bank) and then isolate that charge in the charge collector from the source dipole antenna using a switching circuit. Then you discharge the charge collector across the load. That way the source dipole antenna never sees the load and is never under a load or being loaded.


I am trying to build the first part of the device which is used to step charge a capacitor bank. The circuit creates a staircase wave. I have been unsuccessful in my attempt to find such a circuit. The closest circuit I have found is on a youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoQ47wQQhGU



The circuit uses a DAC converter. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
If you have a schematic, could you please email me?

I believe the same type of circuit is being used in this youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KFkVcd_os



As best that I can tell, this is the block diagram for this device:



I believe the switching circuit is very similar to that in Figure 1A as described above.

The generator winding is different from most typical generator windings. I found something about it on the Internet. -will post it here later.

Here is the dream. Why couldn't everybody own their own unit? Why couldn't everybody puts power onto the grid?. Why couldn't everybody receives checks from the power companies?

Why couldn't these units can also power electric vehicles?



These devices should be open-sourced to all humanity.




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Reply author: No longer a member.
Replied on: 10/10/2009 6:01:26 PM
Message:

welcome 2 the TEEP forum m8...:)
cant help yah out with diagrams(circuits)...just not my thing...;-)...ima having trouble reading simple words as it is...:P


Peace!
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Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 10/10/2009 8:41:44 PM
Message:

Thanks for the welcome. Good luck with that word thing. LOL


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 27/10/2009 03:41:17 AM
Message:

Here's that link I promised about how the stator coil windings are different. They're tangentially alligned in relation to the rotor magnet:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromexp.htm


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 27/10/2009 03:52:38 AM
Message:

hello ardyle, that link you sent is very interesting. that is the same exact thing as the magniwork generator!!

carmin


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 27/10/2009 5:45:18 PM
Message:

Interesting concept I have copied the entire site with photos of the layout I will post this for everyones referencing as soon as I know how to post photos? (just in case the site gets dropped).

vesperhbt


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 28/10/2009 12:22:18 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by cass

hello ardyle, that link you sent is very interesting. that is the same exact thing as the magniworks generator!!



carmin



I don't think that it is exactly like the Magniworks generator/motor, where the coil windings are tangent but also one could say alternationg from stator winding to stator winding.

Whereas with the WITTS generator, the point that I am trying to make about the coil arrangement is the coil alignment is tangent to the rotor magnets.

If you will you look at the waveform for this type of coil at their site, you will see that it is different from conventional coil arrangements. If you look at the WITTS generator, it too has a tangent coil arrangement. I think this is an important difference.


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 28/10/2009 08:46:54 AM
Message:

Yes this is very important I use a variance of this type of coil for my generation uses as well just a little different.

vesperhbt


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 28/10/2009 3:28:08 PM
Message:

hey everyone, i have to say this is a very interesting device here, and it appears to be a relatively small device which gives off a really good output for its size..however the magniwork plans that i bought are so confusing and i cant really understand them. by looking at the diagrams and pictures in the magniwork plans this generator is the exact same...if you or anyone completes this setup i would really like to know how it turns out

carmin


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 29/10/2009 12:25:19 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by cass

hey everyone, i have to say this is a very interesting device here, and it appears to be a relatively small device which gives off a really good output for its size..however the magniwork plans that i bought are so confusing and i cant really understand them. by looking at the diagrams and pictures in the magniworks plans this generator is the exact same...if you or anyone completes this setup i would really like to know how it turns out

carmin



I don't believe that Magniworks motor/generator has the exact same windings configuration as the WITTS generator. For those that don't know, Magniworks is a set of plans to a proposed overunity device.


Now, let's get back to the discussion. True, the Magniworks generator does utilize tangent windings, but not in the way that I think that the WITTS generator uses a single tangent winding. I don't believe they are not exactly the same.

The following image is a drawing of the Magniworks motor/generator winding configuration:



However, I do believe that the WITTS generater does use a single tanget coil winding based intensive scrutiny of the video of the WITTS generator.

This is what I think the WITTS generator stator winding and rotor magnet configuration look like:


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 29/10/2009 01:49:15 AM
Message:

For this thing to be built, it needs to be very simple to build, and actually I think the device is very simple.

What do I need? I need a circuit schematic with a list of off-the-shelf electronic circuits and components.

What do we have: We have the switching circuit theory and switching circuit block diagram from Thomas E. Bearden and the proof of concept from Timothy Thrapp, that is, if his device actually works and is not a fraud. However, I don't think it is a fraud, but then how can I know unless I build the device and have it working and generating excess power?

It appears to me that since WITTS is a ministry, it has a duty to help mankind. Here's the real problem. If WITTS wasn't so apparently stingy and miserly with their technology, maybe they could actually fulfill their mission statement, that is, to help mankind. Whereas now, they're no better than any other greedy corporate entity out for itself. It seems to me all they care about is money and about not helping out mankind. If they would just release a working circuit schematic of the device to the public, then I would be willing to retract the preceeding opinion.

Let me make this clear. Although I am a little critical of this organization, I still deeply admire them and the work the are claiming to be doing.

WITTS is a acronym for World Improvement Through The Spirit.

The complete name of the organization is World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries.

WITTS Ministries' website: http://www.witts.ws/


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 29/10/2009 02:22:55 AM
Message:

If what I have said here interests you, you might want to save this page. You can never tell when this type of information will be removed or deleted.

Why might that be?

All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer 1788-1860

When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot. -Rabbi Shlomo Riskin

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 29/10/2009 02:49:44 AM
Message:

yes i see what you are saying now, sorry about before i misunderstood, but yes you are 100% correct...you never do know if all of this stuff here will one day be removed or deleted if in fact it is true and proven to work

carmin


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 29/10/2009 11:53:40 AM
Message:

proposed cross-sectional view of WITTS generator rotor magnet and stator winding:




Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 29/10/2009 9:22:49 PM
Message:

Yes that is an accurate demonstration of the coil to rotor configuration. However I watched the video in great detail and looked up the people he named off and all he did was blend several ideas together to make the video. Also I feel it is a big hoax because of how he runs the video we can not see the power to the light bulbs at all and he turns them off before he shuts down the motor / charger ??conduit??...LOL Conduit that was a real laugh. I'm sorry but that video was really full of holes and to pursue any information based on that videos data would be a waste of time. I am usually open to all kinds of things but that was just so porly covered up that anyone can tell that it was a hoax, to prove this I played this for a few friends today they all said the same thing "that was a joke right". I was laughing so I replied yes to them.

I think we doing what we are doing here in this forum will prove it is possiable and make this aware for all people every where.

Keep up the good work

vesperhbt


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 30/10/2009 12:38:35 AM
Message:

The beginning topic sentence of this topic is as follows: (This was the first thing posted here.)

I am trying to build Tom Bearden's free energy device which utilizes a charge collection.

Okay.

I need a circuit schematic to generate a staircase waveform utilizing a DAC circuit.

That's the bottomline.

But instead, I get this:


quote:
Originally posted by vesperhbt

Yes that is an accurate demonstration of the coil to rotor configuration. However I watched the video in great detail and looked up the people he named off and all he did was blend several ideas together to make the video. Also I feel it is a big hoax because of how he runs the video we can not see the power to the light bulbs at all and he turns them off before he shuts down the motor / charger ??conduit??...LOL Conduit that was a real laugh. I'm sorry but that video was really full of holes and to pursue any information based on that videos data would be a waste of time. I am usually open to all kinds of things but that was just so porly covered up that anyone can tell that it was a hoax, to prove this I played this for a few friends today they all said the same thing "that was a joke right". I was laughing so I replied yes to them.

I think we doing what we are doing here in this forum will prove it is possiable and make this aware for all people every where.

Keep up the good work

vesperhbt




It is human nature to jump to a conclusion without carefully reviewing the evidence. You are certainly human, and nobody would fault you for jumping to your own conclusions based on your feelings and opinions.

There is no certainly evidence to support your belief that all he did was blend several ideas together to make the video. However, you are certainly entitled to believe to your own opinions.

And, you are certainly entitled to feel however you want about it.

It is your stated opinion is that video was full of holes. It is also your stated opinion that to pursue any information based on that videos data would be a waste of time.

Fine, by all means, please don't waste any more of your time here.

It is your stated opinion that it is a hoax. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

However, I don't believe it is a hoax because the evidence isn't there to support that idea.

What this effort is is a good faith effort to attempt to understand if this device works, then how does it work. That is all. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't matter, nothing lost. In fact, why are you even here? Why do you even care? Hmmm?

But what if it does work? Then what will you say? The answer is nothing. In my opinion, that is because you have invested no thought or reason or understanding towards this matter.

So don't waste my time with your negative thinking. I don't care if you feel it is a hoax. That is not the issue. If you can't contribute positively to this topic, why bother wasting your time here?

Why don't you go to a forum where all you talk about is how something can't work? But, please, not here in this topic because to do so is to waste my time, and you have already done that.

Thank you so much. Thank you for contributing to this topic. You are a real credit to those like you. You have no idea how much I really appreciate it. Keep up the good work. LMAO


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 30/10/2009 03:20:37 AM
Message:



With respect to the WITTS generator, I believe there large air gap separating the external surface winding component and the internior surface winding component.

It's all the same winding, but it has two components which are the exterior and the interior.

I believe only the interior surface winding component is cut by the rotor magnets' magnetic field while the exterior surface winding component is too far away to receive any magnet flux from the rotor magnets.

Therefore, EMF is induced only in the internal surface winding component. The external winding surface receives no induction and doesn't produce a voltage.

Therefore, current should only flow in one direction, causing a DC voltage potential across the output of the coil winding.


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 30/10/2009 07:54:09 AM
Message:

Dear, Sir

I was addressing the video nothing more I'm not here for a contest of ways to bash each other and it seams you are. I in fact believe that there are ways several to be exact to make this type of system.
In fact being a jerk to others that challenge the facts that there was no proof given in the said video that it worked.
I was not saying that the concept was not valued nor that there was not a working model.
I can help out in many ways, but I was addressing the video nothing more..... To be rude to another just because you can is a real bother. It is important to find the facts and the drawings and circuit design are the facts not what was shown in that video. If you want help it is an easy solution for the circuit you need not to hard to build or design.

But it seams you are to busy bashing someone to stop and think about what you are saying and to whom. If you knew me you would know that I have spent the last 15 years working on this type of solutions to the worlds power needs.

Yes I do care sir very much.

The generator works great need a circuit cool good enough but don't bash anyone here sir...... This is not the place.

I post help on this forum all the time and email and such just to help out others so succeed in this struggle to build the best power source for the world. With this said I do this for the right reasons to help.

Have respect for each other, I respect the idea and the validated information and to the dedicated researchers that put forth this information that the bearded gentleman said he received his information from in the said video, he himself said he bulked the ideas together. So I was not saying anything wrong or with any malice intended.

If I offended you I'm sorry about that.

vesperhbt.


Reply author: Lorke
Replied on: 30/10/2009 09:37:13 AM
Message:

Ok. I really feel new now. I understand the field creating EMF in a coil. However as this is one coil, and with the air gap it is only half exposed to the field... It almost looks like your making a rotary pump for electrons. Is this essentially correct?

****Its like building a puzzle but you have never seen the picture, and you only get 3 pieces a week.****


Reply author: comwarrior
Replied on: 30/10/2009 9:34:45 PM
Message:

ardyle, knock it off... less of the attitude...

I havn't seen the vids as it's coming up for 1am and i'm shatterd!
But here are my thaughts...

I'm aware that Bearden has said about using capacitors to prevent a 'diapole' from 'seeing' a load and I have the practical knowledge to say that is crap! The capacitor becomes a load when you discharge it...

The magni generator is actually an interesting one because it has the potential of being allmost lenzless if done right...

However, i'm scratching my head with the witts generator, i can't see it doing much...

Just my initial 2 pence untill i got time

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Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 31/10/2009 05:07:06 AM
Message:

Well, I wouldn't have expected you to think there is something to the Magniworks motor/generator.

I really don't have much interest in it currently. I suppose it could work in theory.

Getting back to the charge collector idea, Bearden says there is a difference between massless displacement current and electron mass flow current. Conventional electrodynamic theory doesn't accept that idea. I've never been one for convention.

For those of you who are interested in learning about electronics, there are several resources online.




Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 31/10/2009 05:12:02 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Lorke

Ok. I really feel new now. I understand the field creating EMF in a coil. However as this is one coil, and with the air gap it is only half exposed to the field... It almost looks like your making a rotary pump for electrons. Is this essentially correct?

****Its like building a puzzle but you have never seen the picture, and you only get 3 pieces a week.****



Rotary electron pump. That's a good name for it. Essentially, you're correct.


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 31/10/2009 1:53:19 PM
Message:

Looking at the design a little more and referencing some other data, would it not make this design have more power output to have both _N_ and _S_ facing out on the rotor to induce a greater peek and valley in the field thus more power to the load or charger? Just a thought?

Also if this is an electron pump,,, I see that you can even make this 2 times more powerful concurrent with this photo design by orienting the magnetic field into a quad field not just a single field. This is hard to explain how this works but I have this working in a system that I am currently rebuilding to streamline the design.

vesperhbt


Reply author: Lorke
Replied on: 31/10/2009 10:10:42 PM
Message:

North and south facing Magnets in this case would cancel the 'pumping' effect. you'd get AC inside the motor but the circuit is not made to use this.

What I visualized was somthing like this:
coil is like a hose (mounted inside a cylinder) and the Fields are like rollers being turned inside the cylinder to push the water through the hose.

again just putting this out to be corrected if I am way off the target. Thanks

****Its like building a puzzle but you have never seen the picture, and you only get 3 pieces a week.****


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 31/10/2009 10:18:14 PM
Message:

Right again, Lorke.

I envision building this device, but it has to be very simple; otherwise, it won't be built in all likelyhood.

The stator assembly could be built using two large PVC pipes with spacers in the gaps. Of course, one PVC pipe would be much larger than the other. The outer PVC pipe would be large enough to provide a significant air gap. With the outter PVC pipe possibly epoxied to a frame. One continuous winding inside and out. The uni-pole magnet rotor in the middle of it, that is within the inner PVC pipe.

Wouldn't it be cool to float the rotor on magnetic bearings, like in this youtube video?



The plans are available online:
http://stelmos-fire.com/mendocinomotor.html

Of course, what the dream here is, in this topic, is being able to generate your own electricity with an overunity device.

It would certainly be wonderful to do that especially with a working overunity device; however, just because you don't have a working overunity device, of course, it doesn't mean you can't still generate your own electricity.


That is, if you are so inclined, to generate your own electricity, that is, to do it yourself.

When you do it yourself, you cut your costs to a fraction of what it would normally cost. However, what you need is a step-by-step guide, so you can quickly and easily start producing your own home-made energy.

You need a Do It Yourself Guide that you can easily follow step-by-step.




Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 31/10/2009 11:39:52 PM
Message:

Well into the design proses for my newest motor that uses 38 complete drive trigger and slave coils is on magnetic bearings, to increase speed and to cut the friction balance and centering are the biggest things to overcome. It is a real step forward to say the least. I use a different winding array but along the same lines as what you are describing,,, save the rotor being flat has been replaced and modified into a sphere with the windings on the inside and the mags on the outside with independent coils for excess power development from the magnetic discharge for the coils interaction. I use a principle I am calling "field generation collapse" (FGC) Kind of hard to explain but in my video soon to come it will explain it all. I am designing and testing in AutoCad and in a testing program that simulates real life conditions at the moment. So as soon as I finish testing I will use our 6 axis CNC machine and cut the necessary parts to size and construct the motor. Till then back to testing.

vesperhbt


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 01/11/2009 01:33:24 AM
Message:



I think you should post an image of it here, so we can see what it looks like.

My two favorite motor designs are by EV Gray and new design by TWM Technology which they put into an electric car conversion. In fact, they put the prototype that I'm interested in into a 1951 Ford 1-ton pick-up truck. MP3 Audio Interview



EV Gray's Motor Design in Operation

Who was EV Gray? Well, he built the EV Gray Motor, and he understood how to split the positive, which actually does work, according to the evidence. You can test the theory with three batteries and a light bulb, which when lit shouldn't produce any heat from the bulb because it uses another form of electricity, called cold electricity.



These were and are radically different electric motor designs for use in electric vehicles. It's too bad these motors are not available to the general public.


Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 01/11/2009 4:12:55 PM
Message:

wow that first video is crazy, is it high voltage? looks like he has a mini tesla coil, i dont know what it really is but it looks cool, and sounds cool...

carmin


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 11/11/2009 07:09:16 AM
Message:

Splitting the Positive

Cold electricity won't shock you.

click here to see a Google video about it by Dr. Peter Lindemann

Biography on Dr. Peter Lindemann

Here's a Youtube video about it, but the video quality is poor.






E V Gray 1986 Promotional Video Part One





E V Gray 1986 Promotional Video Part Two





E V Gray 1986 Promotional Video Part Three





History of the EV Gray Motor - Lecture





The Konehead Pulse Motor by Doug Konzen


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 11/11/2009 07:57:18 AM
Message:



Here's an interesting overunity example utilizing a motor-controller, a 3-phase motor, an alternator, a batcap, and an inverter capable of powering an inductive load.


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 11/11/2009 10:10:08 AM
Message:

I looked over this information and I have just a few points.

one: why is this just a bulk video of other peoples work what are you trying to prove with this topic?

Two: In the last video (the Donald duck) he makes the claim that using grid power to run a three phase motor to run an alternator using magnets as the coupling device between them is an "Over opportunity" unit.

Well lets break this down a little: Okay grid power to run a 3 phase motor "Do I need to say more" It is plugged into grid power??????
Next the linkage between the motor and the alternator are magnets, so what is that proving you could have used a couple of pulleys and a belt or gear to gear and done the same thing. etc

Next he is using an alternator to output to the battery and then to an inverter to a light bulb.
Hmmmmmm..... Well it seams I have seen this before,,,,,But where????? O i remember under the hood of my car and trucks? Wait this is on all cars and trucks? This is how they charge the battery normally.
An inverter for the load??? I can buy an inverter to run half my house off one car battery.. (how do I know Because I lived in a hurricane zone that lost power for weeks that is how I run my home when the GRID goes down). just need enough gas to keep the car running. I never thought to plug the car into the grid? O wait there is no power, sorry.

So lets see A gas motor on a car connected to an alternator to charge the battery? Sounds the same as the grid power to run the electric motor to run the alternator.

Over opportunity????? I really do not think so at all. Clearly the video maker does not understand the meaning.

For this to truly be an over-opportunity motor it would need to be a closed loop so that the alternator is generating the input power for the three-phase motor as well as having enough left over to run the load on its own with no outside grid or other fuel source.

This is the basics for this. Sorry but that video is yet another hoax. No I stand corrected not a hoax just a lack of knowledge on his part.

No offense intended just the facts.

vesperhbt

"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 11/11/2009 10:23:56 AM
Message:

Now the EV Gray motor has allot of interesting things and is on the right path. Good video.

As for the other videos I have no comments on reclaiming work done by other researchers and calling it my own, Sorry don't believe in that. Points of reference are on thing, we all start from somewhere.

vesperhbt

"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 12/11/2009 07:43:51 AM
Message:

quote:
Well into the design proses for my newest motor that uses 38 complete drive trigger and slave coils is on magnetic bearings, to increase speed and to cut the friction balance and centering are the biggest things to overcome. It is a real step forward to say the least. I use a different winding array but along the same lines as what you are describing,,, save the rotor being flat has been replaced and modified into a sphere with the windings on the inside and the mags on the outside with independent coils for excess power development from the magnetic discharge for the coils interaction. I use a principle I am calling "field generation collapse" (FGC) Kind of hard to explain but in my video soon to come it will explain it all. I am designing and testing in AutoCad and in a testing program that simulates real life conditions at the moment. So as soon as I finish testing I will use our 6 axis CNC machine and cut the necessary parts to size and construct the motor. Till then back to testing.


What were the results of your testing?


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 12/11/2009 07:46:43 AM
Message:

quote:
I looked over this information and I have just a few points.

one: why is this just a bulk video of other peoples work what are you trying to prove with this topic?

Two: In the last video (the Donald duck) he makes the claim that using grid power to run a three phase motor to run an alternator using magnets as the coupling device between them is an "Over opportunity" unit.

Well lets break this down a little: Okay grid power to run a 3 phase motor "Do I need to say more" It is plugged into grid power??????
Next the linkage between the motor and the alternator are magnets, so what is that proving you could have used a couple of pulleys and a belt or gear to gear and done the same thing. etc

Next he is using an alternator to output to the battery and then to an inverter to a light bulb.
Hmmmmmm..... Well it seams I have seen this before,,,,,But where????? O i remember under the hood of my car and trucks? Wait this is on all cars and trucks? This is how they charge the battery normally.
An inverter for the load??? I can buy an inverter to run half my house off one car battery.. (how do I know Because I lived in a hurricane zone that lost power for weeks that is how I run my home when the GRID goes down). just need enough gas to keep the car running. I never thought to plug the car into the grid? O wait there is no power, sorry.

So lets see A gas motor on a car connected to an alternator to charge the battery? Sounds the same as the grid power to run the electric motor to run the alternator.

Over opportunity????? I really do not think so at all. Clearly the video maker does not understand the meaning.

For this to truly be an over-opportunity motor it would need to be a closed loop so that the alternator is generating the input power for the three-phase motor as well as having enough left over to run the load on its own with no outside grid or other fuel source.

This is the basics for this. Sorry but that video is yet another hoax. No I stand corrected not a hoax just a lack of knowledge on his part.

No offense intended just the facts.

vesperhbt


quote:
why is this just a bulk video of other peoples work what are you trying to prove with this topic?


Response: I'm not trying to prove anything.
Question to you: What are you trying to prove?

quote:
Do I need to say more It is plugged into grid power??????


Response: I think with respect to you, the less said, the better.
Question to you: So What?


quote:
Next the linkage between the motor and the alternator are magnets, so what is that proving you could have used a couple of pulleys and a belt or gear to gear and done the same thing. etc


Response: Why does everything have to be "proving" something to you?
Question to you: Who cares?


quote:
I can buy an inverter to run half my house off one car battery..


Response: I don't care.


quote:
Sorry but that video is yet another hoax. No I stand corrected not a hoax just a lack of knowledge on his part.


Response: Whatever.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 12/11/2009 07:58:33 AM
Message:

quote:
As for the other videos I have no comments on reclaiming work done by other researchers and calling it my own, Sorry don't believe in that.


No one is doing that. EV Gray is dead. No one is attempting to take his work and claim as his own. What they are trying to do is save his work and keep it from being lost. And as for what you believe, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me.


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 12/11/2009 08:30:20 AM
Message:

Okay thats cool.
Donald Duck video response.

In the video I am referring to the claim is "over opportunity". I am stating that the fact is it is not.
Why do I care because there are allot of people that want to build and make true this statement and allot of people may be confused by some claims. It is a point to display correct information about the topics and ideas presented here with in this forum. It is also the point to discuss them and verify the information. If the information can not be verified then it can not be displayed as fact. That is what I was pointing out. If it is not fact it is fiction.

My proving is that we are not dependent on the grid for a power source and that through hard work and factual design we can generate our own power and inspire others to do the same. IE free power to all people.

The point is if you are still plugged into the grid what did you make but another grid powered device that is claiming to be something it is not, proving by the pure definition said by the inventor in the video. (Donald duck video)

It is not proving to me it works, it is proving it to the rest of all the people and science commits that what is being claimed is real. The video maker is trying to prove something, and claim something that was the point of the video. So by looking at the information presented and using the definition of the terms claimed I made a determination based on those facts alone. The proof is not for me to make... Just to analyze and respond to my personal findings about what was presented.

If the video maker had said " I don't know what I made but it generates power". then there would not be a discussion about that fact because it does in fact generate power.... That is a fact...

However the maker of the video claimed that "he had made an over opportunity motor" and the fact is it is not. That was the point. Facts.

Hope this illuminates what I was meaning from before.

As for my motor I have several that I am working on how ever the one you were asking about is not made yet I am sourcing a 6 + axis CNC machine to buy so that I can build my motor and other projects. Then I will reply with the findings.

I have posted a new concept I am currently working on however.

vesperhbt

"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 12/11/2009 10:45:00 AM
Message:

Fantastic


Reply author: Lorke
Replied on: 23/11/2009 07:46:26 AM
Message:

Ardyle, the Videos are an interesting and thought provoking mix. Some help (me at least) explore new ideas, and I thank you for that.

This is a forum for discussing energy generation and unity/over unity. I for one enjoy it when others on the forum make comments like Vesper did. Funny but I did not see it as aimed at you as at the maker of the video.

That aside, how is your work on the Bearden collector coming along?

****Its like building a puzzle but you have never seen the picture, and you only get 3 pieces a week.****


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 24/11/2009 2:34:07 PM
Message:



I have a block diagram of the circuit, but I still need a circuit diagram or schematic. I built one device which uses a relay and a bank of capcitors. It follows the following pattern but without the step-charging of the capacitor bank.



The problem with relays is the points wear out and they consumer power, and you can't step-charge with a relay.

The unit must be solid-state. That's where I'm at.

Theory





Block Diagram




Broken Symmetry




Suppression


The man you see pictured above is dead.




"We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to
tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it."
--Thomas Jefferson to William Roscoe, 1820.


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 24/11/2009 11:12:15 PM
Message:

Ardyle: I will try to source something that will work for you please give me a little time since it is the holidays. Also I will watch the videos you just posted when I have a bit of time.

What is your function criteria for this?

Hope to help.

vesperhbt

"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 17/12/2009 11:35:48 PM
Message:

The videos have been removed due to copyright claims.



Back to basics:





Mosfet as a Switch


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 18/12/2009 12:11:58 AM
Message:

Technology that we took from the Nazi Blasteds. A self-powering home electrical generator that was mass produced in Nazi Germany from Volkswagen parts ≠ - and was then sold for a number of years in the United States!




John Bedini talks about the Lockridge device.

Text taken from website, "During world war two, two GI's wandered into a little town in Germany. The Two Gi's were shown a BOSH generator that was modified; they crated it up and sent it home. The device used a pull cord to start it, once it was started it ran itself at 5000 rpm's and lit 300 watts worth of lights, any more it would quit. The secrete to the machine was switching and a special capacitor made from waxed butcher paper. Without the capacitor it could not transform the spike from the motor. It was called the Lockridge device, he built this with Delco Generators that he took apart and modified by adding "Two more coils" 90 degrees apart". The switching, When the machine quit running the brushes failed, people would go to the auto parts store and buy brushes install them and the machine would not work. Lockridge did not tell them that he sanded the brushes smaller than the commutator segments, so the people sold them for the copper. Lockridge was hunted down by the department of energy and they could not get him for anything, so they worked on his wife who became the town H..... , Lockridge went nuts and poured gasoline on himself and lit the match. The machine was never seen again. I know about this machine because of a good friend who talked to people that owned them. This was a real machine that ran itself closed looped, the Cole/Bedini motor can do the same thing without the brushes. The switching must be right along with the generated output. We have all the best magnets today to do this, he says."

Text taken from this website.

Is there a connection to Patent #3,374,376, the Kromley Generator?






Flat Rotary Electric Generator, Patent #6404089

The man, Mark R. Tomion, who invented this device died rather suddenly under mysterious circumstances at his home.

His company website still exists.





Panacea's Free Energy Suppression production (Part 1)





Panacea's Free Energy Suppression production (Part 2)




Panacea University's Courses


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 18/12/2009 01:01:02 AM
Message:

We are pretty much on the same page Ardyle, I am still going very basic,
I hope to get a greater than 1:1 charge rate before I go further. It
seems that with proper conditioning of the batteries and tweaking the
basic device it is very achievable! My source batts last so long it leads
me to think I may have already came close to OU.

Rob


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 18/12/2009 11:52:34 AM
Message:

BASIC CONCEPT FROM THOMAS BEARDEN:



BLOCK DIAGRAM:



Since there is power switching going on in two places to move the charge from the charge collector to the load, that being done in steps, specifically, increments of time, I believe it would be advisable to incorporate regenative snubber circuits in the final circuit schematic.



Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 18/12/2009 12:00:27 PM
Message:

REQUIRED CIRCUIT: ASTABLE MULTIVIBRATOR TO CONTROL THE ISOLATED MOSFET GATE DRIVERS:

See a Astable Multivibrator in action:



Reply author: comwarrior
Replied on: 18/12/2009 3:41:03 PM
Message:

IMO...

ardyle and vesper...
Theirs a problem with the video that neither o you have picked up on...
He says his controller converts the TWO PHASE into THREE PHASE for the motor...
Now, i don't know what country wires houses up with two phase but their is a problem because all inverters are ether single phase (110 / 240) or 3 phase (415v), the 3 phase being quite expensive...

so, acoring to the video, 2 phase in one phase out...

vesper,
The 'magnetic gearing' that the DD video shows is far more efficient than pullies or gears...

Ardyle,
I'll be truthfull with you, i believe bearden has left something very crutial out on his video's...
When you look at the circuit from an electron flow point of view then you still get a depletion of energy...
It doesn't matter if the main load draws power from the capacitor because your charging the capacitor from a battery or generator...

Electrons are negitively charged, therefor they flow from negitive terminal to positive...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Generator Systems Moderator

"Energy can not be created nor distroyed, it can only be changed into other forms" - so lets do some changing!
"Every Action has an equal and opposite re-action" - Why not use the re-action to create an additional action?

95% efficiency, I dare you to do better!

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Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 18/12/2009 6:56:31 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by comwarrior

ardyle and vesper...
Theirs a problem with the video that neither o you have picked up on...
He says his controller converts the TWO PHASE into THREE PHASE for the motor...
Now, i don't know what country wires houses up with two phase but their is a problem because all inverters are ether single phase (110 / 240) or 3 phase (415v), the 3 phase being quite expensive...

so, acoring to the video, 2 phase in one phase out...


Single phase, dual phase, no real difference at all, it is at
the point of generation where this is a difference, but I can make
any single phase system equal to 2 phases for all practical
purposes. It is dome all the time in the US 110/220 system,
it is center tapping the transformer... Neutral is referenced
to earth ground and that in effect splits the single phase into
2 phases, same effective output as a 2 pole alternator. It is
180* out of phase same as center tapped single phase. All grid
power sources are 3 phase anyway, we take 1 phase and split it
down the center to get 2 poles, a 2 pole motor will run on single
phase or 2 phase and never miss a beat!
SO, CW, while he was incorrect it makes no difference, you can make
single phase into 2 or 3 or whatever you wish! RotoVerter is a good
example of making 3 phase from single phase, it is actually a wild
a$$ Open Delta System, google THAT!


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 05:51:54 AM
Message:

RV TECHNOLOGY



























Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 06:06:30 AM
Message:

quote:
Ardyle,
I'll be truthfull with you, i believe bearden has left something very crutial out on his video's...
When you look at the circuit from an electron flow point of view then you still get a depletion of energy...
It doesn't matter if the main load draws power from the capacitor because your charging the capacitor from a battery or generator...

Electrons are negitively charged, therefor they flow from negitive terminal to positive...



Why doesn't it matter? Is the charge collector a load? No, it is not. And remember that the charge collector is being step-charged to minimize any current flow.

What Bearden is saying that I think you are missing is that the battery or generator, whatever the case may be, is simply a source dipole antenna.

In the case of the battery, the way you destroy a source dipole antenna is to short it out the dipole. Again, in the case of the battery, if there is a load in between the negative side of the source dipole antenna and the positive side of the source dipole antenna, eventually, the source dipole antenna is destroyed.

But what is the source dipole antenna destroyed by?

It sounds to me like Bearden is saying that there are two types of electron flow: mass and massless. Mass electron flow would be from the negative side of the source dipole antenna.

Massless electron flow would be from the positive plate of the capitor to the postive side of the source dipole antenna.

It sounds to me that Bearden is saying that these free electrons present in the postivie plate of the capacitor (being displaced by the electrostactic force of mass electrons coming from the negative side of the source dipole antenna) don't damage the positive side of the source dipole antenna because these particular free electrons from the positive plate of the capictor are massless.

If you want a more complete and precise explanation of this concept, consult Bearden's own work on this subject, entitled, Additional Information On The Final Secret of Free Energy.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 07:05:49 AM
Message:

MOSFET Experiment



This is what electronis is to me: experimentation.




Optoisolator Controlling Triac





Interfacing back to back SCRs to microcontroller


For AC loads back to back SCRs are advisable to be used in place of a triac to overcome the quadrant problem.Triac needs one opto coupler while back 2 back SCRs shall require 2 opto couplers to be used.Use MOC 3061 3063 for just switching on or off the load .Use MOC 3020 3021 for firing angle controlled requirements of the load.
--He mentions need for using snubber with inductive loads..

So what is a snubber?

Generally, you use them to save the contacts on your switch which would otherwise be damaged by "kick" arcing.

We are interested in recovering energy from the snubber.

ENERGY RECOVERY SNUBBER - NOT AS MUCH SNUBBING STILL DAMPENING IS REQUIRED


Interesting discussion on energy-recovery snubber circuits by this author.





How to Design a Simple Isolated Power Supply - Linear Technology



A reason not to use optoisolator is explained.






Interesting electronics. Is there applicability to the circuit we are looking into? Probably not but still interesting.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 4:40:13 PM
Message:

Binary Counter




Binary Counting Using Relays Demonstration



So if you kept continually repeting the sequence, you would have sixteen increments and then back to zero. If you feed that repeting sequence into a DAC (digital to anlogue converter) you would have a stair-case waveform.




What is Binary Counting?






Square Wave Generator & 12 Bit Binary Divider






555 Tmer Chip Square Wave Generator







Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 5:46:54 PM
Message:



I actually do like the Daftman Solid-State Charger and think the certain concepts could be applied to the Bearden Design.


Reply author: teep
Replied on: 19/12/2009 6:03:39 PM
Message:

(Well i see you edited your video post above so my comments seem out of place now.)

So can we harness the energy from the dogs that runaway in someway or am I just missing something?

Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 6:17:17 PM
Message:

DAC needed to drive stair-case waveform.
VID1




VID2



VID3



VID4



VID5



A List of DAC Circuit Schematics


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 7:16:23 PM
Message:

Op Amp Analog Circuits Lecture


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 7:37:39 PM
Message:

I wonder if you could use Logisim software to model the digital components of Bearden's charge collector circuit.



Logisim Software Available at Sourceforge

Don't worry.. The software is free.

Let me know how it turns out.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 7:41:24 PM
Message:

Something Simple with Logisim


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 19/12/2009 8:09:33 PM
Message:

Electronic Circuit Design Software
Proteus Isis





See circuit operation being simulated.





Tutorial for this Software
Where to get this software.


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 20/12/2009 02:04:40 AM
Message:

Dood, I vaguely see some of the points you are trying to make,
but if you would post more of your reasoning behind this I
would be much more likely to watch the videos! I think I speak
for MANY of us on here [red]"at"[/red] TEEP, we all have our own projects
and our time is limited too, so if you would tie it together
just a little bit (without having to watch someone else's video)
then I'm sure you would get TONS more feedback!
Do I hear a second for that? LOL!
We are all willing to help and learn, and me more than some others,
because you are approaching this Free Energy thing much like I am,
but it takes just too much doggone time to load and view ALL these.

Thanks,
Rob


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 20/12/2009 02:11:46 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by ardyle



LOL



Like this for instance, we should outfit all the humane shelter
dogs AND the homeless with these scooters, and give them delivery
jobs in the big cities! And the rest of the homeless can use the
doggy-pooper scoopers for the doggy scooters!

OPEN SOURCERER APPRENTICE!

...Just An Electrician...Since 1985...


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 20/12/2009 02:18:36 AM
Message:

justa i second you

vesperhbt

"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 20/12/2009 04:58:40 AM
Message:

BASIC CONCEPT FROM THOMAS BEARDEN:



BLOCK DIAGRAM:



I will aways come back to this device. How many parts make up the device? Granted, there are several parts: square wave generator, counter, DAC, OpAmp, multivibrator, MOSFETs, charge collector, load, etc. Each part is important, and the without each part, the device can not function, so with have a situation commonly referred to as irreducible complexity. Bearden just gave us the block diagram and the theory behind it, but we still have to come up with the circuit schmatic for the entire device. Recently, I've just been looking at each part; maybe that will help.


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 20/12/2009 07:04:40 AM
Message:

Well, one problem with SIMS (logisim or any of them basically) is that they
do not have the proper, shall we say "parameters" for Free Energy simulation.
BUT (and this is a big one) we may be able to "trick" the sim, adding some
type of battery or something (cap?) and describing it as an input from RE
or ZPE or whatever you wish to call it. Another problem is that RE manifests
itself as positive charges that are "mobile" (I think they are POSITRONS) and
possible (probably?) difficult to model, and they seem to travel on the OUTSIDE
of the wire but in the same directional path once we get them moving in a
cohesive manner, if that even applies as a correct observation.

I will address irreducible complexity tomorrow, actually later "today"
as I am about to turn in, but Bearden's Charge Collector may be able to be
simplified, at least to a "proof of concept" that relative beginners can hope
to build, most of his parts are there for fine control, but I see a couple of
possible simplifications. More later! THIS is a good discussion now, IMO!
Just cuz I feel like we have a common point of reference now.

Rob

OPEN SOURCERER APPRENTICE!

...Just An Electrician...Since 1985...


Reply author: Lorke
Replied on: 20/12/2009 07:20:18 AM
Message:

I think I see, and corect me if I am wrong Ardyle.

Guys, I see this thread as a clipboard of Ardyle's research into this subject. Inviting feedback on any part.

We have seen the chats get a bit heated, agreed. I do think it needs to be kept to a discussion and keep attitudes out of it.

I do not watch all the videos either. But many have lead me to other areas I AM looking into, and most likely would not have found otherwise. We are here to Share. Take what you like (and can prove through experimentation) and leave the rest.

I am not at present delving into Tom Bearden's work. However I also would like to see more notations by you Ardyle, as to what is in the videos or posted links you find relevant to your research.

As Jesta said,
"..if you would tie it together just a little bit (without having to watch someone else's video)then I'm sure you would get TONS more feedback!.."

Keep in mind that MANY people read this forum that do not post. Some are not even members! (shame on you people, sign up now! LOL) But if they get interested in, and can follow and use this thread, all the better. They might even join in.

****Its like building a puzzle but you have never seen the picture, and you only get 3 pieces a week.****


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 20/12/2009 3:50:49 PM
Message:

Nothing against you. You're great.

The point that I want to make here is the idea behind irreducible complexity is that it can not be simplified further, and any attempt at further simplification would merely result in device failure.

For example, take the typical spring-loaded mouse trap, if you remove a single component, it fails to operate.

I believe the Bearden design as complex as it is can not be simplified any further if its overunity characteristics are to be retained.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 20/12/2009 10:09:39 PM
Message:

This Bearden Charge Collector Design is my particular obsession, one best conducive to my overly complex outlook on life, but there are many paths to overunity, and here is a possible one that I actually became aware of on this board, so, in conclusion, why shouldn't overunity, in fact, be simple? Take for instance the following device:

Self-powering Device


by Rodney Clark

I checked out the author's website but couldn't find as much information as I wanted to find on the template or plans or how to purchase them. His email address is rod45103[red]"at"[/red]yahoo.com.

He states:

quote:
Plans are still being finalized.

All the money made from the Mini-Motor Kit will help fund the full-sized generator I am building.

Basic Template:

A paper printout or copy of the Actual size of the base, rotor, and the exact placement of holes for the coils, magnets, screws, rectifiers, ect.

Also you will receive detailed pictures of how to prepare the Radio Shack relays to be used as power coils, and basic plans for my recommendation on how to assemble this design.

Price: One US dollar ($1.00) and self-addressed envelope.

Download the disclaimer, and fill it out completly, send it with one US dollar to:

Mail to: (PENDENING)

Check back near end of August (of 2009)

I guess Mr. Clark never had the time to get back to his work on this subject.

By the way, the VCR motor may be a Hitachi vt120. Also, he uses a watch battery as a energy buffer between the retified output of the coils and the drive motor.

Plans

courtesy the Daftman

Thank you for your time.


Reply author: teep
Replied on: 20/12/2009 11:30:28 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by JustAnElectrician

Dood, I vaguely see some of the points you are trying to make,
but if you would post more of your reasoning behind this I
would be much more likely to watch the videos! I think I speak
for MANY of us on here [red]"at"[/red] TEEP, we all have our own projects
and our time is limited too, so if you would tie it together
just a little bit (without having to watch someone else's video)
then I'm sure you would get TONS more feedback!
Do I hear a second for that? LOL!
We are all willing to help and learn, and me more than some others,
because you are approaching this Free Energy thing much like I am,
but it takes just too much doggone time to load and view ALL these.

Thanks,
Rob




I second the quote above by JustAnElectrician,

The problem with this thread is videos keep being edited by ardyle so when one posts a comment on a particular video then that video gets changed ones comments appears to be out of context with the thread.

Itís got to the point where I edited one of your posts and asked you in big red writing why but you just edited it out.

Please answer.


Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 20/12/2009 11:39:15 PM
Message:

So you admit to editting my post? I'm very disappointed.


Reply author: teep
Replied on: 20/12/2009 11:52:49 PM
Message:

I'm very disappointed.

Well if you answered the post one wouldnít have to resort to editing your post in order to get your attention. As admin itís my responsibility to inshore the smooth running of the forum and make shore all threads are within context of the forum and remove or put right things that arenít.

Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 20/12/2009 11:56:41 PM
Message:

Then you have carried out your responsibility as I re-edited my post in order that it comply to the context of this forum. Thank you.


Reply author: teep
Replied on: 21/12/2009 12:03:43 AM
Message:

Thanks, interesting thread.

Yours theDaftman TEEP forums administrator.
See my videos on YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/theDaftman


Reply author: vesperhbt
Replied on: 21/12/2009 12:18:36 AM
Message:

Teep you are always fair and just, I back you in this forum and understand the reasons why you want it correct so I back you 1000% Thank you for a great forum.

Reposting others work with out ones own work is weird to me and I don't understand it, seems out of context here. I could be wrong but we all can see this on you tube just making links here takes up server space, LOL

Ardyle: (I may get bashed for this but) where are your personal videos on your work? what photos have you posted on your own work? where is your personal data concerned your as you said "my particular obsession". If this is true what progress have you made into building a model and where is that information? Not bashing here just want to know as I think Justa and we all are wondering.

I just would like to see your own work thats all others ideas for a spring board are great but what about your work your progression what are you doing with this information, How has this affected your development?

that is all I'm saying no disrespect intended just the questions I ask every time I see your post.

thanks

vesperhbt

"The power to change the world"
www.youtube.com/vesperhbtmotor


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 21/12/2009 12:46:55 AM
Message:

I have already responded to that question. Consult my post dated November 24, 2009 at 2:34 PM.

That reminds me (1) where are the photos that you promised to post on October 27, 2009, and (2) where is the video you promised to make on October 31, 2009, concerning your FGC?


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 21/12/2009 12:55:31 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by ardyle

This Bearden Charge Collector Design is my particular obsession, one best conducive to my overly complex outlook on life, but there are many paths to overunity, and here is a possible one that I actually became aware of on this board, so, in conclusion, why shouldn't overunity, in fact, be simple? Take for instance the following device:

Self-powering Device

I checked out the author's website but couldn't find as much information as I wanted to find on the template or plans or how to purchase them. His email address is rod45103[red]"at"[/red]yahoo.com.

He states:

quote:
Plans are still being finalized.

All the money made from the Mini-Motor Kit will help fund the full-sized generator I am building.

Basic Template:

A paper printout or copy of the Actual size of the base, rotor, and the exact placement of holes for the coils, magnets, screws, rectifiers, ect.

Also you will receive detailed pictures of how to prepare the Radio Shack relays to be used as power coils, and basic plans for my recommendation on how to assemble this design.

Price: One US dollar ($1.00) and self-addressed envelope.

Download the disclaimer, and fill it out completly, send it with one US dollar to:

Mail to: (PENDENING)

Check back near end of August (of 2009)


I guess Mr. Clark never had the time to get back to his work on this subject.

By the way, the VCR motor may be a Hitachi vt120. Also, he uses a watch battery as a energy buffer between the retified output of the coils and the drive motor.

Plans

courtesy the Daftman

Thank you for your time.



Well, the reason he did not release this is that IT DOES NOT WORK!
Many on this forum have tried similar devices, and even replications
of that device, no luck so far. The reasons are simple, one cannot
combine any given number of under-unity devices and get OVER UNITY!
I say that about this device because he has nothing in there that
would even be an experimental OU-type mechanism. If he had some type
of anti-Lenz circuitry, it would be worth trying.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 21/12/2009 01:34:14 AM
Message:

I thought the reason he didn't release it was because at the time he was in a difficult place in his life with respect to his employment situation and moving to a new state.

Do you think the video is a fraud? I don't believe that it is a fraud. Why would he connect his website, his name, his life situation, and then only ask $1.00 for it. He has nothing to gain by defrauding anybody. In fact, he has a lot to lose just by showing it.

The Rodney Clark Device



It looks like he is suspending the device with fishing line. He does admit to the device having a watch battery but for use as an energy buffer.

My understanding of the purpose for the full-wave bridge rectifiers is to convert the coils' CEMF to DC. Shouldn't CEMF spike count for something in this equation? Granted, I would think air-core coils would work better. See the configuation in Patent #6404089.



How do you explain it working in the video then?


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 21/12/2009 01:43:55 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by ardyle

I thought the reason he didn't release it was because at the time he was in a difficult place in his life with respect to his employment situation and moving to a new state.

Do you think the video is a fraud? I don't believe that it is a fraud. Why would he connect his website, his name, his life situation, and then only ask $1.00 for it. He has nothing to gain by defrauding anybody. In fact, he has a lot to lose just by showing it.



It looks like he is suspending the device with fishing line. He does admit to the device having a watch battery but for use as an energy buffer.

My understanding of the purpose for the full-wave bridge rectifiers is to convert the coils' CEMF to DC. Shouldn't CEMF spike count for something in this equation? Granted, I would think air-core coils would work better. See the configuation in Patent #6404089.



How do you explain it working in the video then?



Well, Running does not equal OU, and many experimenters release
their work Open Source for further development, besides, I viewed
his whole series of videos and he was getting better performance
with ongoing upgrades. His circuit would not have any backspike,
it would be sine waves going into those FWBR's. You need a transistor
to switch the gen. coils to get the sharp gradient of a spike.
It is like a Bedini without the switching, IMO.


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 21/12/2009 01:47:13 AM
Message:

I do not think it was a fraud.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 21/12/2009 02:27:37 AM
Message:

I think you might be right about there not being any CEMF spikes from the coils in this particular case.



So do you believe that the device would run down eventually and stop running?

Maybe it does. Maybe that's why he came up with a #4 Video. Maybe the device was partially powered by the watch battery.

He does admit in Video #3 that neodymium magnets were pulled down to the steel cores of his coils, so he had to use rare-earth magnets which delivered less electrical power. What if he had used air-core coils with neodymium magnets? No steel cores to pull the magnets down.

I saw Videos #2, #3 and #4. Video #3 is what I posted. I didn't post the other videos partly because of all the guff I have been receiving about posting "too many" videos and partly because Video #3 impressed me the most by the device's simplicity and operation.

The plastic CD disc player part that he used to mount the magnets on looked like it might lack the needed rigidity when using neodymium magnets and steel-core coils together.

Without the steel cores, the device might have worked better.


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 21/12/2009 05:34:30 AM
Message:

Yeah, somewhere I think he had some additional text posted (OU forum?) or I heard
it in one of his videos, that it takes a long time but it does run down. We need
to have some form of radiant energy collection OR a motor and generator system
that is so efficient that the magnets somehow overcome the "unity monster" as I
call it, but when you have that situation the magnets become the RE collectors
and the "gates" for converting that energy.

BTW, the "unity monster" lives in the neighborhood of 99-100% LOL!

I will link you to the post we had on that m/g set here at TEEP:

http://teep.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~137~SearchTerms~,selfrunner.asp

LOTS of useful info about that setup at the link!

Rob


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 22/12/2009 01:08:35 AM
Message:

ALSO: Doubling the disc support for the NEO mags would really help.

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Reply author: comwarrior
Replied on: 22/12/2009 01:58:02 AM
Message:

who was it that wanted a DAC?
By DAC do you mean Digital Analog Converter?

If so... you can use a PIC micro controler to do it...

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Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 24/12/2009 5:30:10 PM
Message:

that's right.. DAC = Digital Analog Converter.

Square Wave Generator feeds a Counter which in turn feeds a DAC to produce a staircase waveform.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 24/12/2009 6:27:27 PM
Message:

Staircase waveform is used to charge the charge collector which is a capacitor bank. Also the signal from the counter is used to gate alternately the MOSFETs ON and OFF and gate alternately ON and OFF the inputs to the OpAmp. The staircase waveform signal being amplified from the OpAmp is used to control the base voltage of the power transistor. See the work by Tom Bearden on this subject.


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 25/12/2009 02:58:51 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by ardyle

...The point that I want to make here is the idea behind irreducible complexity is that it can not be simplified further, and any attempt at further simplification would merely result in device failure.

For example, take the typical spring-loaded mouse trap, if you remove a single component, it fails to operate.

I believe the Bearden design as complex as it is can not be simplified any further if its overunity characteristics are to be retained.



Most of the components (as I see it) seem to be for fine tuned control,
and digital interface. At least some of the parts CAN be simplified, at least
to make a partial proof-of-concept. I've read lots of Bearden, and he keeps it
quite complex, because he can for one, and because it's easier to get the
scopes and data acquisition all interfaced at the same time. I'll break it
down further another time, because it's basically my own device I'm building
which I consider to be similar to this Bearden Iteration! Mine is more like
what I call a Non-Rotary Newman Machine... for lack of a better term.

Rob

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Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 25/12/2009 4:23:12 PM
Message:

How can it be simplified?


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 26/12/2009 12:02:52 AM
Message:



I might be mistaken, but considering the "basic concept" diagram,
the source can be any DC power supply, (batteries, regulated AC/DC supply, etc.).
That sawtooth wave generator could be replaced with a self-interrupting
relay* (very primitive but workable, and adjustable!) while the "collector"
can be a cap or bank of caps. Notice that it is switched, which could easily
be accomplished with a double pole double throw (DPDT) relay, which can
be switched with a timer or charge sensing feedback circuitry from the collector
itself. The rest is just that blocking diode and the load, but depending
on the type of energy collected you might need a "conversion circuit"
if the collector does not convert Radiant to Conventional.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN:
Suppose you get this device close to operating the way you wanbt it,
but the oscillator needs a different speed, or the input voltage
needs increased, or the collector cycling needs varied, etc...
That is where the block diagram circuit is better, you just press
a few keys and the changes are made. The circuit is more complex
but your ease of adjustment is much simpler, hence the fancy electronics...
I believe one can get a feel for the device in the simplest form,
and then substitute the microprocessor componentry as needed to
get the fine tuning under control.

Rob


*A transistor or MOSFET can be used to drive the oscillator allowing
greater adjustability and longevity over a relay coil. This is the
point I have reached, I'm sick of the contacts burning


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 26/12/2009 1:33:32 PM
Message:

That's interesting.


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 26/12/2009 3:34:58 PM
Message:

Now you know where my basic setup is going, we could maybe run a parallel R&D effort
or something, I could run like described above and you could go more high tech and
kind of 'kill 2 birds with one stone', so to speak.


Reply author: ardyle
Replied on: 16/01/2010 10:36:45 PM
Message:

Sounds good. However, I think I will drop the high tech approach for now. I have been having good results with coils. I think the answer is in higher voltages. I found this power forumula which is power equals voltage squared divided by resistance. If you get the voltage up, then you really get the the power up. My mistake was to connect the capacitors in parallel, working at lower voltages, you know. However, it takes too long the charge to cross the contacts at lower voltages. I should have hooked them up in series (to get the voltage up) which is what I'm going to do now. I really do believe the answer can be found in a combination of concepts from Tesla, Bedini, Bearden, and Smith.


Reply author: JustAnElectrician
Replied on: 17/01/2010 05:22:43 AM
Message:

I am looking at a "starting point" of ~120VDC and ratcheting it up
from there. On CEMF coils (relay chargers, etc) I am going to start
at 11# of wire (standard spool size) for proof of concept and then
get serious!!!

I believe I can get free energy w/batteries with this 11# size, I have
promising results at the tiny core sizes of a relay and paralleling
with 2 large solenoid oil valve coils, maybe a total of 1# of copper.
For the dumbasses who say you cannot get accurate readings with a
cheap meter, I'm like "OK, BUT!!!" and I add a large cap in there
to buffer the current out of the battery, and then the cap handles
the pulsing like a champ, and the ammeter is now very accurate. NOW
we are at the point of being a few millivolts and a couple milliamps
of being right in the ballgame, so likely if we show something over
a couple percent in excess of OU then it is worth the better ($$$)
metering and replication efforts. IMO it will likely be WAY OVER OU
or else we are in the range of simply "redefining the limits" of
what our efficiencies actually are. Anything under COP of 2 is gonna
fall in that area, because of the nature of CEMF and reactive power.
CEMF is a reflection of applied voltages (EMF) and if we were to get
an efficiency of 199% the so-called "experts" could just claim we have
achieved total usage of EMF and CEMF. (It is still OU, IMO) More later...

Rob

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